TOJ - updates on the debacle, complaints, news about other ventures, whatever.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by impolyt_one, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. NotClever

    NotClever Senior member

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd guess this is also influenced by the fact that convenience stores carrying these mags are on almost every corner ("convenience" store actually makes sense in Japan), and access to these things really is almost as easy as getting on the internet. When I was over there I had no clue about any of this, but still couldn't help seeing some of these mags (also, porn mags) because they're just next to the doorway staring you in the face when you go to get some cheap chu-hi or a snack.
     
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    Rolfi Senior member

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    this thread has been delivering A+ during the last 48 hours. thanks drew for the insight. it is much appreciated
     
  3. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    Ok, to better demonstrate what I think is aspirational vs reality, I would like to maybe add a hint of 'impossible' to the aspirational category even - where one wishes to be, but maybe can't, or is better suited staying in another genre (kei) for some reason or another.

    So, I'll use myself as an example; I really like, and even buy into the Itaoya-kei, I am interested in suiting, shirting, silks, I obviously like textiles as well as craftsmanship and construction. This is my 'fun' area now, believe it or not, because the trad stuff is packed with technique that I find interesting as a clothesmaker.
    I think I WOULD like to be in Italian-kei, but I just can't. Whether it's being a Mens Ex Japanese replica of Italian style, or closer to the Italian source, I just won't pull it off anytime soon. I am walking along a compromise with my long hair and facial hair that doesn't particularly go straight to Italian trad-kei. I like conservative business dress, I don't really like jacket and trouser separate looks or anything in that genre but dressed down. If I wore a BD shirt in that scenario, I'd wear a suit jacket and trousers, tie, and a ps to go with. My interest in trad coordinations is basically all or nothing. I don't know why, but I just don't like sports jackets, and I don't like the casual grey area - I feel that's still too old for me at 30. I might visit the idea at 50, I feel.

    On the other hand, I've always mixed elements of Men's Non-kei and Mode, I have many of those brands in my closet, I put together outfits much like Fuuma's (I believe we generally share a similar philosophy about basic casual dress, and wardrobes) - these are easier to pull off, and here, I have long hair and hair on my face, I look like I should be wearing a leather jacket. I might continue the same styling day in day out for myself until I'm at least 40, perhaps 50. Perhaps longer, though I know I will probably go to a softer style later.

    Anyway, I have aspirations and I even look in the mirror and think 'fuck, I'm wearing this trad setup, I feel so different and Itaoya-kei almost' but I do realize that I'm not 100% there, I'm not doing it 100%. Maybe if i cut off my hair and shaved, I'd definitely be able to go CBD... but if I did that, I'd lose a bit of swag on my routine SWD look, which is 90% of my outfits.
     
  4. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    Yes, that's exactly it. That, and japanese people just like hanging out at the convenience store. There's probably a better explanation for it, but you're right. The internet just doesn't consume these people's lives the way it does elsewhere. They had email functionality on their cell phones from the 90's with mass uptake, but internet surfing doesn't really get to matching TV consumption, or at least before it didn't. Maybe now things have leveled out and they do use the internet like people from other countries.

    My wife uses a MacBook and mainly just watches Youtube, does her email, and then surfs Japanese blogs, so I guess that's fairly normal, but not intense usage like many in the US tend to do. No downloading or anything crazy. her computer's HD is blank basically. It's kinda weird.
     
  5. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    consider this - I live 1 block away from a convenience store with all these magazines; I live 10-20 minutes from basically all the stores that sell the things in the magazines. It's deep, it's wide-ranging... but it's accessible as fuck too. I am lacking the money to be frivolous and experiment on/develop my personal style like that, and I don't really care to anyway, but the point being is that it's not obscure, it's just mainstream fashion as it's known here, whereas in the US the things we talk about on SF are considered obscure and not known by people outside of this group too often.
     
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    You have climbed the ranks of my inspiration so fast since I've started this whole interest in clothing and style and fashion. Your knowledge is extremely impressive and your awareness of where you lie in the world involving clothes is equally impressive. I can only say that I will continue to support TOJ and spread word of it to all those looking to invest in that particular style.

    I can't thank you enough for opening my eyes to the idea of where I might fit in this whole mess of style genres.
     
  7. Synthese

    Synthese Darth Millennial Dubiously Honored

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    can't stop won't stop baseball jacket crushes springtime

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  8. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    dude, i do it for you guys, i do it because this thread is my whiteboard where i unload my brain contents. The graph is the breakaway to a good reliable path to finding a personal style. It's not really foreign, as I see it - and I mean that because the mags may be Japanese but they're filled with content from brands you already know about from reading SF. And not trying to be snide about this, but the stylistic version of ignoring the graph or feeling it doesn't relate, would look something like CDHagg's fits - i.e. a very generic GQ (USA edition) prescribed 'style' look.
     
  9. GraphicNovelty

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    wouldn't GQ be kind of in the non-no kei?
     
  10. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    Now you're just rubbing it in. :eek: But I'm glad the Bball has finally made peace with itself and found its rightful place in the continuum. The above is what I wanted for it.
     
  11. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    I don't see it that way. I haven't read an issue of GQ in maybe 10 years except for the one I bought when JKissi was in it, but I feel GQ just casts a net that is pretty far reaching on the graph, but doesn't do any of it well or deeply. I feel like you might get an issue of GQ and you'll see some editorials with Boglioli or lardini and some Aldens or whatever the guys at Pitti put together, and then maybe a couple 'street' editorials with lots of Rugger and RRL, and stuff boring guys like to wear on Saturday and Sunday. The main idea might be that they often wrongly lead people to or assign ages to clothing, like they convince younger guys they need to do CBD or formal... which isn't necessarily the case but it leads to all these young guys googling ' style forum' and finding MC instead of SWD and dressing like dorks.

    Mens Non No is for college kids and the clothes would look awkward on someone more than 30 or so. I am getting too old for Mens Non-kei myself, but I could pull some of the pieces off til I'm 40 maybe (because I'm Asian and therefore... gracefully aging? :eek:) But yeah, mostly 'kids' stuff in the sense of very well-dressed kids in contemporary casual looks, which is not an attribute you generally think of when it comes to American youth.
     
  12. GraphicNovelty

    GraphicNovelty Senior member

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    So the american equivalent of non-no is like better done urban outfitters/uniqlo/H&M/Zara style on college kids?
     
  13. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    Kind of, but none of those brands approach the level of cool that Mens Non-no wants to project. Urban is no match for N. Hoolywood, Attachment, old Raf or Julius like I said - these were all staple Mens Non-kei brands at some point. Like I said, the US doesn't do any of this seriously. Anybody on SF really putting the time and money into their looks to be able to even understand what we are talking about here, they are not within the realm of normal American people when it comes to style at all obviously. Unfortunate but true.
     
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    KingJulien Senior member

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    Drew any particular reason you don't post in waywt any more? I was flipping through the HOF earlier, saw at least a couple of yours.
     
  15. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    you've seen most of my clothes, lol. jk, kinda. I don't really change it up much anymore, I have both settled upon my 'look' that I like to wear, and also I am a bit burned out thinking about how to make clothes and style others that I care less about styling myself lately. It's been that way for about 2 years, I don't really go shopping. That's part of the reason why I started up the proxy service, in order to go out and look at clothes. Otherwise I just don't do it, I look at the magazines and sometimes bring myself to look at sites, but I don't browse WAYWT anymore, I don't really feel like taking fit pics of myself.

    Also, getting older and I have responsibilities I have to pay for now, and clothes come last, so I've stopped thinking about buying clothes for myself like I used to when I was younger.
     

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