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yeah, i haven't sorry i'm a noob to leathers really

but i got a fing awesome brand new schott 644 for around 250 and thats from 600 or so, so it came down a ton in price on the resell market
and the quality/construction is almost par /w this one

also on the B&S the toj's don't come down as much as that or another great leather i was looking at lost worlds ryder and thats steerhide... hahaha

i hope at least some of you guys feel me
 

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This is like going into the Alden thread and saying, "man, I think 6 bills for cordovan is a bit much?"  I mean, I just got one on B/S for 4 bills and it's impeccable, but man, I think 6 bills would be a lil much, thoughts?

Sounds like a discount consumer where every item should be available for at least 50% off retail with seasonal stackable coupon codes to bring it up to 90%.

Hey guy, have you ever bought a leather before? They're not cheap items. Even shitty ones are expensive.
 

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This is like going into the Alden thread and saying, "man, I think 7 bills for cordovan is a bit much?"  I mean, I just got one on B/S for 5 bills and it's impeccable, but man, I think 7 bills would be a lil much, thoughts?

yeah you're right
but to address you... at least aldens go on sale and new ones in stores can be had for cheap at certains time of the year. tojs to my knowledge dont and if you look at the sample prices...damn
 

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is above poster woodyear?
 
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Stillmaticbeat

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alright thanks for the feedback i see your reasoning

i guess i'm just not that experienced /w leathers because it seems like the prices are so varying even /w decent leather+styled pieces
 

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yeah, i haven't sorry i'm a noob to leathers really
but i got a fing awesome brand new schott 644 for around 250 and thats from 600 or so, so it came down a ton in price on the resell market
and the quality/construction is almost par /w this one
also on the B&S the toj's don't come down as much as that or another great leather i was looking at lost worlds ryder and thats steerhide... hahaha
i hope at least some of you guys feel me

you answered the question yourself. toj items dont depreciate all that much because quality is high.
 

Stillmaticbeat

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hah yeah quality is damn good i'll give them that, i want to buy a collared moto now....
 

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yeah you're right
but to address you... at least aldens go on sale and new ones in stores can be had for cheap at certains time of the year. tojs to my knowledge dont and if you look at the sample prices...damn
Might you direct me to this magical place where Aldens go on sale and new ones in stores can be had for cheap?

Also, keep in mind that it's $735 for a MTM item, so it's a little apples-to-oranges to compare it to mass produced options.
 
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Aldens go on sale at shoemarts factory 2nds
 

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MTM doesn't exactly qualify for factory seconds...and if you did get a botched shipment (like that case with the baseball jacket), drew and his crew are totally ready and willing to fix their mistake...
 

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I don't think he quite knows enough about economics to realise that TOJ has enough differentiators to be classified as a monopolistic arrangement, and not a seller of a generic commodity (leather jacket done the same as everyone else). Hence, he only cares about his workers' productivity and setting a price such that demand is just right, not too high or too low (hello Dayton boots). That price is naturally higher than if in a perfect market, but we all know that perfect markets do not exist.
 

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Sounds like a discount consumer where every item should be available for at least 50% off retail with seasonal stackable coupon codes to bring it up to 90%.
Hey guy, have you ever bought a leather before? They're not cheap items. Even shitty ones are expensive.

When's the next Mr.Porter sale?
 
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you might have gotten that Schott on sale, but I'd bet you the price of a brand new TOJ A-2 that it fits you like shit.
 

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I think it's because my plane is booked to go to Seoul in a week, or maybe I'm just feeling it, but I'm having epiphanies about the new designs left and right this evening. Brain really woke up from it's vacation.
I have some great Japanese linen, selvedge broken twill, denim, and waffle knit cotton that I'll be incorporating, and then we'll mix in the standby NZ lamb, suede, some Italian and domestic calfskins - gonna use the same leather, horn, ebony wood, and YKK Japan trimmings as usual - here's a listing of what I am thinking for S/S. Will have to wait for the pics to see where I am going with these and the detailing, but I have these in mind over the next few months.
- revamp on the 2010 DR, 2010 Moto, and CM - some small adjustments
- minimalist waxed cotton duffle, minimalist waxed cotton Chesterfield/lab coat, minimalist fishtail - all with waffle-knit button-out liner
- new varsity
- suede T-1, suede T-3
- knits, all-wool, loose-gauge handknit
- sunglasses, made in Japan, handlaid celluloid or tortoise
- footwear of some sort
- revamped shirting, made in Japan
- denim jeans
- wool formal trousers
- object dyed selvedge broken twill chinos
- a few more outers, maybe some quilted/waxed stuff, etc.
That is my idea board for the evening.

bumping this again as i was searching for it, need those minimalist coats, trousers and shirts, and boots
 
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