Timothy may have been onto something.

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  1. LabelKing

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    If I recall correctly what I read some years ago, LSD was developed by psychiatrists to treat certain mental illnesses. The early tests, conducted in the 50s, were considered clinically successful and written up in the journals. Ken Kesey was actually one of the test subjects. Back then, the stuff being so new, it was not illegal. The government probably didn't even know about it. Kesey ruined it for the docs by taking it outside the hospital and using it for play. That's what eventually got the stuff banned and all the trials stopped. A lot of the researchers were pissed off and thought that a promising treatment had been abused and then unfairly shut down. I think something like this account is given in Wolfe's Electric Koolaid Acid Test.
    The United States utilized LSD ostensibly for mind-control purposes in their Project MKULTRA during the '50s.
     


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    .....but you eventually just want to turn your brain off, unclench your teeth, and get some effing sleep.
    I do not see how a chemical that affects your brain so profoundly could not have any side effects from long-term use.


    It's a long time ago but I recall the dose in the '60's was 350 mics,not 100. That came along in the 70's as use of the drug spread. I don't see how anyone really could have known what the dose was.

    The jaw clenching came from additives or so I was told.
    The quality of the chemical work gave a product that was close to LSD-25 but maybe more like LSD-22.5.

    There was a guy named OWSLEY(sp?) who was considered the best of the acid makers. I had a job at a rock fest in Monterey in the late '60's and accidently consumed some spiked punch. It was his supply. There was no jaw clenching.

    The street experience with a random quality drug is probably quite different from the clinical with the use of a standardized pure form of the drug.

    I guess negative side effects haven't stopped the use of other prescription drugs.
     


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    It's a long time ago but I recall the dose in the '60's was 350 mics,not 100. That came along in the 70's as use of the drug spread. I don't see how anyone really could have known what the dose was.

    The jaw clenching came from additives or so I was told.
    The quality of the chemical work gave a product that was close to LSD-25 but maybe more like LSD-22.5.

    There was a guy named OWSLEY(sp?) who was considered the best of the acid makers. I had a job at a rock fest in Monterey in the late '60's and accidently consumed some spiked punch. It was his supply. There was no jaw clenching.

    The street experience with a random quality drug is probably quite different from the clinical with the use of a standardized pure form of the drug.

    I guess negative side effects haven't stopped the use of other prescription drugs.

    Mark- The bad additives from my youth were strychnine and speed. It made for some rough nights. Strychnine really feels bad as you come down. At least it did 15 years ago.
     


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    It's a long time ago but I recall the dose in the '60's was 350 mics,not 100. That came along in the 70's as use of the drug spread. I don't see how anyone really could have known what the dose was.

    The jaw clenching came from additives or so I was told.
    The quality of the chemical work gave a product that was close to LSD-25 but maybe more like LSD-22.5.

    There was a guy named OWSLEY(sp?) who was considered the best of the acid makers. I had a job at a rock fest in Monterey in the late '60's and accidently consumed some spiked punch. It was his supply. There was no jaw clenching.

    The street experience with a random quality drug is probably quite different from the clinical with the use of a standardized pure form of the drug.

    I guess negative side effects haven't stopped the use of other prescription drugs.


    I heard somewhere that Owsley was just the front man and the chemist was his shy German girlfriend, who was a genius at synthesizing the stuff. Of course, Owsley acid is the stuff of legends.
     


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    Mark- The bad additives from my youth were strychnine and speed. It made for some rough nights. Strychnine really feels bad as you come down. At least it did 15 years ago.
    Strychnine is very English mystery novel--The Death of Mr.Louis or something like that.
     


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    I used LSD in my college years and while I am glad I did, I would never do it again. The first four hours were great, just incredible, but you eventually just want to turn your brain off, unclench your teeth, and get some effing sleep. The effect it has on your brain is amazing, somewhat scary that it can affect you so much and that your grip on reality is that loose in the first place. I do not see how a chemical that affects your brain so profoundly could not have any side effects from long-term use.
    One of the things about hallucinogens is the fact that the trip starts off somewhat rough, then you come to terms with it and enjoy it, but after a few hours, you just want to be normal, and want to have reality back. At least this is what I have heard from SWIM. I have also heard from SWIM that at the end of the night all you wish is to be able to fall asleep without demons and spirits swirling around you when you close your eyes. SWIMWIM also told me that because of this, hallucinogens are to be done every so often. SWIMWIM = Someone Who I've Met Who Isn't Me
     


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    Mark-

    The bad additives from my youth were strychnine and speed. It made for some rough nights. Strychnine really feels bad as you come down. At least it did 15 years ago.


    Isn't strychnine rat poison?
     


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    I heard somewhere that Owsley was just the front man and the chemist was his shy German girlfriend, who was a genius at synthesizing the stuff. Of course, Owsley acid is the stuff of legends.

    I didn't know there were legends.
     


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    Isn't strychnine rat poison?
    Seems like maybe it was an urban legend. Something bad would get in there and cause our jaws to clench and our stomachs to clench up. It has been a long, long time... thank goodness.
     


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    One of the things about hallucinogens is the fact that the trip starts off somewhat rough, then you come to terms with it and enjoy it, but after a few hours, you just want to be normal, and want to have reality back. At least this is what I have heard from SWIM. I have also heard from SWIM that at the end of the night all you wish is to be able to fall asleep without demons and spirits swirling around you when you close your eyes. SWIMWIM also told me that because of this, hallucinogens are to be done every so often.


    SWIMWIM = Someone Who I've Met Who Isn't Me


    The experience depends on the quality and the dosage. I've rarely experienced anything nearly as harsh as you describe.

    I didn't know there were legends.

    About Owsley acid? Certainly.
     


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    Seems like maybe it was an urban legend. Something bad would get in there and cause our jaws to clench and our stomachs to clench up. It has been a long, long time... thank goodness.

    Because of those experiences I don't drink or use any drugs or medications.
    I wanted to see reality as clearly as possible and all that stuff got in the way.
    So maybe there is some possible benefit.
     


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    About Owsley acid? Certainly.

    So much about that era in Northern Cal was intense. I hadn't realised Owsley had reached the status of legend.
     


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    So much about that era in Northern Cal was intense. I hadn't realised Owsley had reached the status of legend.

    He's mentioned by name in a number of psychedelic songs of the era. Listen to Jefferson Airplane's Mexico, to name just one example. Another far more obscure band put out a song entitled Our Friend Owsley Stanley that sometimes cycles around on the Technicolor Web of Sound.
     


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    He's mentioned by name in a number of psychedelic songs of the era. Listen to Jefferson Airplane's Mexico, to name just one example. Another far more obscure band put out a song entitled Our Friend Owsley Stanley that sometimes cycles around on the Technicolor Web of Sound.

    At the time, he was a household name in the Haight.
    He was associated with the big bands, like the Airplane and the Dead.
    He was so visible that that he came under scrutiny by the Feds.
     


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