I was in South America for winter break and in the larger cities I noticed something I had noted in western Europe (mostly in the south) as well and might as well bring up now. Mainly that business men at least a majority favor short ( to my eyes ) ties by short I mean two three or more inches above the waist. Often looking like school boys, albeit well dressed school boys. They do not wear their pants especially low and I must say on a whole dress better than the business men in the USA. There were people with normal length ties and I imagined that on a whole they were the older if not the more prosperous set. I was under the impression that the proper way to wear a tie was just to the belt line. And Personally I have even on occasion been chastised for wearing my tie too long, this may bee an American vice as I have seen that from time to time. Now I have seen the short tie in both South America and western Europe, I didn't really notice but on the few people who I saw wear suits in Eastern Europe I do not think had short ties. Can any one explain the un american short tie phenomenon? Is it fashion influenced ( Ive never noticed advertisments with short ties)? Is it tie dimensions (obviously you can only tie a necktie so short unless it is on the whole short)? In the US I am almost positive I have never seen the too short tie look.