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Tie Knots

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by bachbeet, May 17, 2005.

  1. bachbeet

    bachbeet Senior member

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    This may have been asked here before, but I recently joined. What knot do you use the most often? Of the big three (Windsor, half W, and FIH) I tend to use the half W most often. Then, the FIH, then the Windsor. I like them all, though.
     
  2. Bradford

    Bradford Senior member

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    Embarrasing to admit - but the only one I can succeed in tying with any consistency is the four-in-hand.

    Thank goodness I have a job that is business casual, so I rarely have to wear a tie.
     
  3. dorian

    dorian Senior member

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    Half-windsor... I haven't tied a proper fih in so long I would have forgotten it if not for rarely using a prince bertie ( [​IMG] ).
     
  4. Kent Wang

    Kent Wang Senior member Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    Exclusively FIH. Skinny knots for skinny folks. Even Heinrich Himmler looks sharp in a FIH: [​IMG] Speaking of Nazis, I like to (just for fun) accuse Windsor-knotters of being fascists since the Duke of Windsor -- for whom the knot is named -- was a notorious Nazi-sympathesizer during World War II.
     
  5. Teacher

    Teacher Senior member

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    Depends entirely on the collar AND the face under which it is perched. FIH is great for point, pinned, and club collars. Half Windsor is better for semi-spread collars. You guessed it: full Windsor for wider spread and cutaway collars. However, if you're wearing a wider spread and have a narrower, more rectangular face (like me), try the Shelby knot. The result is a very triangular knot with a narrow bottom end. Google for how to tie one. Also, if you like a beefier but longer know with point collars, try a Prince Albert. Experiment, find what you like, and go with it.
     
  6. SmartDresser

    SmartDresser Well-Known Member

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    Try this idea. Let the opening below your face determine the knot. Use a knot that fills the opening. For example, FIH for point collored shirts, Half W for spread collored shirts, Full W for spread collors wider that 4 inches. Also consider the lining in the tie. That needs to be factored in. For BD shirts, I like using a Half W. The knot is larger than the opening and the soft collor bevels out to accomodate. Only soft collors can do this style point. [​IMG]
     
  7. AlanC

    AlanC Senior member

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    It can also depend on the tie itself. If you have a thinner tie but want a bigger knot, I would recommend the Prince Albert to add bulk. I think a four-in-hand will work in almost any circumstance with a Prince Albert thrown in for a spread if you so desire. I use the Pratt sometimes, too, but not much. I see no real point in the Windsor as the Duke himself didn't even wear them. The prince seems to go with a simpler knot himself: [​IMG] Works for me.
     
  8. thinman

    thinman Senior member

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    Since I have a long, narrow face, I do exactly this: I wear buttondown or spread collars and use a half-windsor or windsor knot. Usually I'd prefer an asymmetrical knot, though, and I'm not sure how to get one if the FIH doesn't fill the tie space. So I only use the FIH with beefier ties. [​IMG] Will give the Prince Albert a try. Edited to include Prince Albert.
     
  9. imageWIS

    imageWIS Senior member

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    The Prince of Wales is quite short, is he not? Is that a common trait of the Royal Family?

    Jon.

    Oh, and I use a half or full Windsor depending on the thickness of the tie and the type of collar (I only have cutaways or fairly spread collars). If I use the right neck tie and shirt, and paired with a vest I can pull off a double Windsor.
     
  10. AlanC

    AlanC Senior member

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    I don't believe so. I've shaken his hand and he was in the average height range.
     
  11. JLA

    JLA Active Member

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    I wear a tie everyday, I like the look. I use a reverse half windsor. I found this knot is always straight across the top and not tapered to one side of the knot.
     
  12. dorian

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    reverse half-windsor? POW is 5'10" or so... which is why he seems a bit short in comparison to Will or Harry, or bodyguards, for that matter.
     
  13. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Speaking on the behalf of all right thinking men, I would advise against anyone getting a Prince Albert.

    edit for spelling
     
  14. retronotmetro

    retronotmetro Senior member

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    I would recommend the Prince Albert to add bulk.
    Speaking on the behalf of all right thinking men, I would advise against anyone getting a Price Albert.
    IIRC (not having had one or seen one), that doesn't add bulk so much as redistributing it. Â *wince*
     
  15. tricket

    tricket Well-Known Member

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    My preferred knot. I donno what it is called. [​IMG] Edited 6 June 2005: Now I know it's called Prince Albert knot. I'd replaced the orginal oversized picture with a smaller one so as not to tired your browser....Thanks chaps.
     
  16. Charley

    Charley Senior member

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    I like the excellent shape of the pictured knot, but the size is just too small. No, I'm not a fan of the fist sized knots either.

    In this case, HRH Prince Charles is not wearing enough collar, and wearing enough knot in his tie. Hard to get a tie for a non collar shrt.
     
  17. pilgrim

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    half windsor for me-i'll try the reverse version
     
  18. Jim

    Jim Senior member

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    Here's the opinion of a well-traveled, Englishman: "The man had taken off his macintosh. He was wearing an old reddish-brown tweed coat with his flannel trousers, a pale yellow Viyella summer shirt, and the dark blue and maroon zig-zagged tie of the Royal Artillery. It was tied with a Windsor knot. Bond mistrusted anyone who tied his tie with a Windsor knot. It showed too much vanity. It was often the mark of a cad."
     
  19. Phil

    Phil Senior member

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    Ive heard that many times, about Bond mistrusting anyone with a windsor tie knot. Note to James Bond fans - HES NOT A REAL PERSON. Id feel sorry for anyone who based their preference of tie knot on a fictional characters opinion.
     
  20. JR_Rider

    JR_Rider Senior member

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    I love the windsor knot. Even when I try to broaden my horizons and tie the four in hand, I ususally re-tie the tie with the windsor knot during the day. I just don't like the fact the four in hand is asymmetrical. Looks foolish to me.
     

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