Tie knot - what do you guys think

[harry2quinn]

So I more or less came up with this knot (serendipitously, when I was learning another knot). I think it's simple and quick like a FIH, but it's a little easier to induce symmetry. Another benefit is that it's got more body than a FIH, but less than a half or full windsor.

I'm putting up some pics here to show the process.. please note that these are mirrored pics.

Compare this to size of windsor and FIH, below.

You should also be able to tell that the knot is a little more symmetric than the FIH depicted here.

 

[EL72]

That is a half-windsor knot. I use it all the time.

 

[PandArts]

yeah that's basically the knot I do only I wrap around the back from the right.

 

[harry2quinn]

Actually, that's not the half windsor. In step 3, here, you bring it down and to the back on the right for the half windsor, but you go to the left on the one I have posted here. It was actually attempting the half-windsor that I came upon this; I believe (I might be mistaken though) that this has a little less volume than the half-windsor, because of half a wraparound less.

 

[PandArts]

Yep you've tied my knot of choice:

 

[harry2quinn]

Originally Posted by PandArts

Yep you've tied my knot of choice:

So would you call it the same as a half-windsor or is it more of a modified version (dare I say - one third windsor)?

Btw - a big fan of your posts on the WAYW thread, PA.

 

[HomerJ]

Hmm.. using the Fink-Mao nomenclature, your tie knot is Li Co Ri Lo Ri Co

That's distinct from the half-Windsor Li Ro Ci Lo Ri Co (or Ro Li Co finish in the other direction)

It's not one of the 14 knots Fink and Mao reported. I wonder why they didn't consider it a "useful" knot.

Yours does meet the conditions of symmetry and balance.. am I missing something?

 

[PandArts]

Originally Posted by harry2quinn

So would you call it the same as a half-windsor or is it more of a modified version (dare I say - one third windsor)?

Btw - a big fan of your posts on the WAYW thread, PA.

That's a good question. Some have called it the bastard love knot of the 4iH and the Half-Windsor. I picked up on it much the same way you did thus I just refered to it as a HW. Whatever it is I love the knot it makes...it's a happy medium between the full symmetry of the windsors and the asymmetry of the 4iH.

Thank you...still learning but having a ball doing it.

 

[js4design]

Originally Posted by PandArts

Yep you've tied my knot of choice:

+1 mine too, for the past few years at least...

 

[harry2quinn]

Good to know! I wanted to know where this stands, and how it is to be classified. Thanks for the info and feedback.
Also - like PA said, it's a great knot for a modicum of size and symmetry... I hope this was useful at least for tipping off a couple of members on its existence and use.

 

[Holdfast]

I used to use this knot myself and called it a mirrored half-windsor. I think I added one more loop in at some stage though.

I switched to a different knot eventually because I wanted to shorten my ties a bit more and got bored of the slightly cylindrical look of the knot, but it's a nice knot still. The tie knot in my avatar is probably this one.

 

[Recoil]

Looks good, and definitely not a half-windsor. But I personally don't see this as a substitute to a FIH, since the purpose of the FIH for me is the asymmetry.

 

[Cordovan]

I frequently tie that knot as well. In fact, for years it was the first and only knot I could tie. I learned it as a young boy and stuck with it mostly until now. I've now begun doing more FIH and more bow ties, but still a good knot.

Cordovan

 

[Absolute Beginner]

This is also the first knot that I learned. I still use it when I need to shorten my tie a little. I had no idea what the name was though.

 

[Confucius]

Another one that uses this knot.

The odd thing is that I learnt it from a video on YouTube, posted by a store manager of the New York Turnbull & Asser, and he refers to it as the half windsor.

Unless of course I'm tying the wrong knot.