Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Ennius, Sep 18, 2013.
It was my favourite of the lot actually. Thoughts on the others, sir?
Using that logic would you make a black suit one of your first purchases as well?
Suits cost a lot more than ties. Cost vs benefits, etc etc etc
You also can wear a black tie outside of a funeral context (e.g. navy suit, white shirt, black tie) whereas black suits are a bit less versatile than their neckwear counterpart.
My black ties aren't worn too often, but I'd probably put one towards the bottom of my top 5 (after a navy, brown, burgundy, and a neat or stripe)
+1. You also do not need a black suit for a funeral. Any appropriately somber suit with a black tie is just fine.
In Asia you do.
Fair. My comment was with respect to the U.S.
I see the occasional dark charcoal (also what I wear). And everyone here wears black suits on any given day anyway, so it's hard to say how much of it is "tradition says a black suit" vs "tradition says a dark suit" vs "I'm going to wear my go-to suit."
Considering these two as well as contenders to be in my first 5 tie purchases:
Both grenadine and collectively costing £70. Seems like a good deal to me.. thoughts? I already have a solid navy satin silk and I'm considering this burgundy: http://www.tmlewin.co.uk/Burgundy-O...in&cm_mmc=Affiliate-_-AWIN-_-85386-_-Deeplink
Archibald and claghorn, you both admit in the thread that your don't wear your black ties very often, yet both claim it is a must if you are only going to own 5 ties. Help me understand your logic.
70 Pounds is approximately $110. Tyrwhitt ties are not terrible, but I don't think they are worth $55 per tie. $55 for a mediocre tie is a much worse deal than $80 for an amazing tie such as a Hober. I believe Kent Wang's grenadines are a bit less than Hobers, though you can't customize dimensions, and should also be much better than Tyrwhitt's ties. If cost is an issue, just get one superior grenadine over two mediocre ones.
If I owned only 5 ties, I probably would wear a black one quite often. The issue is that I own enough ties that nothing really gets worn that often, though I have a couple of sentimental favorites. When one's wardrobe expands, it is often the case that certain basic staples do not get used as often. The reason a black tie is a basic staple and should be on any top 5 list is because it is exceptionally versatile. When you own 40+ ties as I do, you care a lot less about how versatile something is. In this thread, however we're talking about someone who might only own 5 ties starting out. Someone in this situation needs to care about versatility. Go back to the navy blazer analogy earlier in this thread. It's not a perfect analogy but it gets the point across. When you own enough of a particular type of item (tie, odd jacket, etc.), the value of versatility goes down. When you only own a few, it's really important and is something to think about.
If it was so versatile and so necessary to own one though, it wouldn't matter how many ties you owned though would it?
If it is so versatile why own 40 ties?
How often do you reach for a dark blue tie in a given week?
You're confusing versatility with optimality. If you have a small selection, something that is less than optimal in a wide range of situations has more utility than something that is optimal in more limited situations, which I think is essentially Leach's point.
I actually like a black tie in its own right - white shirt, mid-grey sharkskin suit and a grenadine black tie is a pleasing sober look without looking funereal.
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