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Tie basics 101

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Ennius, Sep 18, 2013.

  1. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    Knits should be skinnier than a comparable non-knit tie. One reason I am not a fan of them (plus I don't really care for the squared off bottom).
     
  2. SirJamesWinston

    SirJamesWinston Well-Known Member

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    What the knit lacks in width, it more than makes up in character. A 2.5" knit, or 2.75" will look much more substantial than a regular 2.5"/2.75" woven. I prefer my woven ties between 3" and 3.25". I also didn't like them till I got them. I still like grenadines more, but see knits as more useful.
     
  3. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    ^ To each his own. I have absolutely no issues wearing grenadines with an odd jacket (I find the texture of the grenadine complements the texture in a lot of odd jackets and find texture, color and pattern to be far more important than whether grenadines are seen by a small number of people as too formal for odd jackets) but would never wear a knit tie (even if I liked them) with a suit. If you wear a lot of odd jackets and very few suits, however, I could see how you might prefer knits.
     
  4. Count de Monet

    Count de Monet Senior member

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    ^^^^ As I stated up thread, and as Archibald better explains just above, the texture of a grenadine, particularly with a grossa, works well with many odd jackets. That's why I regard mine as so versitile. In fact I have my Bitter Chocolate on today with a sport coat.
     
  5. sultan22

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    Are you able to post pics when u get a chance?
     
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    PiCcolocV Senior member

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    ^ Here is a pic from last week - Kent Wang navy grenadine grossa with a brown sportcoat. Thought it worked decently enough.

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  7. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    Mediocre photographs, but a couple examples of a grenadine tie with an odd jacket are below.

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  8. sultan22

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    The pics illustrate your point very well. The texture of the grenadine matching the texture of your sport coats.
    I like solid ties, but will invest in grenadine instead of the plain variety bcos they seem more versatile and visually appealing.
     
  9. sultan22

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    I think the colors match really well. Love your tie!
    I started with tiebar bcos any mistake I make want cost me much :) .. but I'm now convinced about getting a grenadine in navy blue from Kent Wang or Sam Hober for the more dressier occasions.
     
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  11. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    Quite versatile IMO. I think it would be fine with a mid-grey suit (I actually prefer very dark ties with medium grey or lighter suits). I also like to pair it with some odd jackets.
     
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    If it's not too much of a bother could someone anwser; how is square spiral pattern called?
    And is it considered some kind of faux pas on SF to wear one? Didn't see much of them around.
     
  13. Academic2

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    My $45 pre-order grenadine from The Knottery just arrived; I imagine others have now received theirs too, or are about to.

    I'll try to post a pic when my schedule allows. Might not be this week.

    Cheers,

    Ac
     
  14. Evolve

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    I got an email this morning from The Knottery stating they now have grenadines up for preorder in 3.25 and 3.5" widths. That's nice to hear, as their previous 3" grenadines are too skinny for my taste. I'm very happy with my Hober grenadines, but at $50, I'm tempted to try one from The Knottery. Need to add a black one to my collection.
     
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  15. Academic2

    Academic2 Senior member

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    Here are a couple of quick shots of the Knottery burgundy grenadine I mentioned a couple of posts back. The color is most accurate in the first photo. I also attach a copy of close-ups so you can see the weave if you want; these make the color look lighter than it actually is, however.

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    It’s heavier and stiffer than my Drake’s grenadine, a result of different interlining I assume. The stiffness may very well diminish over time as the tie gets broken in, of course.

    They’ve now announced that they’re taking pre-orders for wider (3.5 inch) grenadines:

    http://theknottery.com/grenadine-tie-special-wide-pre-order-burgundy-3-5.html

    They’re now $10 more than before, but at $50 they’re still certainly worth considering.

    Cheers,

    Ac
     
  16. the_sulks

    the_sulks Senior member

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    Do you have any ideas why this combination of the collar and the tie give a crease? Is the shirt cloth too soft like say Egyptian cotton?

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  17. gringodaddy

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    ^^^ looks as if your shirt is a couple sizes too large for your neck.
     
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  18. Balfour

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    Re. grenadines and odd jackets:

    I would wear a grenadine with blazer and greys. Manton, as I recall, is not keen on grenadines with odd jackets, although in one of his BlazerSuit threads he combined blazer and greys with a gunmetal grenadine to great effect:

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    Connery Bond also:

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    But I wouldn't wear grenadine with a nubbier odd jacket. In my mind grenadine is a formal tie, and I can't square this with the casualness of an odd jacket. Ancient madder, wool, etc. better options, IMO.
     
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  19. TheOttosauraus

    TheOttosauraus Well-Known Member

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    Grenadine is usually best for suiting but I feel as if it works with darker shades on odd jackets. I wouldn't do it with brighter hues but it's an alright look.
     
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  20. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    Re: the grenadine with odd jackets issue, I have no issue wearing my grenadine ties with anything from suits to the occasional tweed odd jacket. While grenadine ties may be higher on the formality scale and in a sense unsuited for odd jackets, I find that the texture of the ties gives them an added amount of versatility. One man's opinion and I'm certainly not claiming that there is a rule for this, but I happen to think it's a fine look.
     

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