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Things you should never cheap out on

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Davidko19, Apr 22, 2010.

  1. Gradstudent78

    Gradstudent78 Senior member

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    This is some of the stupidest advice I've ever read.

    I wouldn't necessarily agree with running in chucks, but there is little evidence to suggest expensive running shoes are better then less expensive ones in terms of injury prevention:

    http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008...r-problem.html
     
  2. runner-guy

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    Well, I never pay full price for my running shoes anyway. There are tons of websites where you can get good deals on running shoes. But more expensive running shoes aren't just for injury prevention. They also provide better cushioning and durability. Sorry, but I'm not going to take chances running 25-30 miles a week in a pair of $20 Nikes.
     
  3. scribbles

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    I wouldn't necessarily agree with running in chucks, but there is little evidence to suggest expensive running shoes are better then less expensive ones in terms of injury prevention:

    http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008...r-problem.html


    Sorry but that article pisses me off. First, if the best source for scientific data you can find is over 20 years old, thats pathetic. Secondly, what kind of PhD "publishes" an article (I use the term extremely liberally) without providing the sources of the data upon which the author's claim is based.

    Here is some more recent data obtain through PubMed and the New England Journal of Medicine: According to a follow-up study performed in 2008 by orthopedic surgeon Dr. Richard Byrne, head of the Sports Medicine and Kinesiology Institute at Harvard School of Medine, people who run in $40 sneakers run at a slower average pace (4.1 mph vs. 5.2 mph), run fewer weekly miles (6.3 miles vs 14.2 miles), and run less frequently (2.4 vs. 3.9 days per week) than individuals who run in $95 sneakers. When the original data was re-run to include the effects of these confounding factors, individuals running in $95 sneakers were found to sustain slightly fewer overall injuries (11.2 vs 11.7 injuries per 1000 miles run) and significantly fewer serious injuries, those requiring referral to a specialist for treatment (1.4 vs 3.9 significant injuries per 1000 miles run).

    Actually I just made all of that up, but it sounds pretty damn convincing especially to someone who doesn't know any better or doesn't work in the field.
     
  4. Astan

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    Before the thread is derailed, Shoes. Number one in my book. A real investment, hands down.
     
  5. Gradstudent78

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    Sorry but that article pisses me off. First, if the best source for scientific data you can find is over 20 years old, thats pathetic. Secondly, what kind of PhD "publishes" an article (I use the term extremely liberally) without providing the sources of the data upon which the author's claim is based.

    To be fair, its not really an article, but a short blog post. Anyways, here's a news article that is more thorough in its sources.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mosl...ste-money.html
     
  6. cptjeff

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    I don't know where you got this information, but the last sentence is categorically wrong. As for your first points, yes, it would be nice if everyone could run on their toes, but to do so with just a pair of Chucks and everything the would be hunky-dory is misleading and just plain bad advice.
    Pick up a copy: http://www.amazon.com/Born-Run-Hidde.../dp/0307266303 written for a popular audience, but it makes the point. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0104122310.htm http://www.biologynews.net/archives/...nd_ankles.html http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Fitnes...nningShoes.htm Most are about the same study, but it was a two second google search. Soft, padded running shoes greatly increase joint damage over even stuff like high heels, for the simple reason that they encourage landing on the heel rather then the ball. Chucks have a single layer of foam and one of rubber. They don't. Ideal is apparently to have people run barefoot, where landing on the heel is immediacy painful and you correct yourself instantly, but chucks (or those 5 fingers things) allow for people to run without worrying about nails. Please don't say I'm wrong when scientific studies back me up and you have no idea what you're talking about because you haven't even bothered to do as much as a simple google search. Simple courtesy.
     
  7. scribbles

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    To be fair, its not really an article, but a short blog post. Anyways, here's a news article that is more thorough in its sources.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mosl...ste-money.html


    Thanks for the follow-up response. Not trying to be a dick, I'm just leery of any "facts" that are presented without sources.

    Back to things you should never cheap out on... preventative maintenance (house, car, body, etc) and radar detectors.
     
  8. HORNS

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    Pick up a copy: http://www.amazon.com/Born-Run-Hidde.../dp/0307266303

    written for a popular audience, but it makes the point.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0104122310.htm

    http://www.biologynews.net/archives/...nd_ankles.html

    http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Fitnes...nningShoes.htm


    Most are about the same study, but it was a two second google search. Soft, padded running shoes greatly increase joint damage over even stuff like high heels, for the simple reason that they encourage landing on the heel rather then the ball. Chucks have a single layer of foam and one of rubber. They don't. Ideal is apparently to have people run barefoot, where landing on the heel is immediacy painful and you correct yourself instantly, but chucks (or those 5 fingers things) allow for people to run without worrying about nails.

    Please don't say I'm wrong when scientific studies back me up and you have no idea what you're talking about because you haven't even bothered to do as much as a simple google search. Simple courtesy.


    Dude, you essentially cited the same interpretation of an article three times. Nowhere do those three links make any kind of correlation between the expense of a running shoe and injuries. Yes, running on one's toes is less stressful, but a person has to relearn how to run to do so, and that can create problems on its own while the re-learning process occurs.
     
  9. scarphe

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    be men go to the beach and run without shoes.
     
  10. dtmt

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    be men go to the beach and run without shoes.
    REAL men wear shoes at the beach. With knee-length socks.
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  11. runner-guy

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    be men go to the beach and run without shoes.

    Kind of hard to do that when you don't live near a beach.
     
  12. scarphe

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    Kind of hard to do that when you don't live near a beach.

    what sane person does nto live near a beach?
     
  13. henrikc

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    Haven't seen this mentioned yet, so here we go.
    Contact lenses. Seriously. Buy some decent ones, you do not want to mess up your eyes with low-quality contacts.
     
  14. Christobevii3

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    Pens (I'm not saying you have to go fountain pen, but I can't write without at least a Pilot)
    Condoms


    I get free durex condoms at work...
     
  15. aboutsomeoneelse

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    REAL men wear shoes at the beach. With knee-length socks.

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    * First dates
    * Flowers for your significant other
    * Tissue (kleenex)
     
  17. ErnestoG.

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    Money. Throw out old bills and take new ones out directly from the bank
     
  18. rjakapeanut

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    most of these are really stupid.

    socks. if you wear cheap wal-mart socks the stitching around the toes really gets uncomfortable. then there's the fact that they don't last for shit. i'm not saying go balls out for socks -- i buy mine for $2 a pair at Champs -- but don't buy a dozen pairs for $6 and expect comfort.

    haircuts. having a shitty cut can kill your entire look. if there's one thing you should invest in, it's finding a decent stylist who can make your hair look presentable. you can pay $12 at supercuts for a shitty haircut, or pay $30ish at a better salon and get someone who knows what they're doing. it's worth it for me as a once-a-month expense.
     
  19. TheD0n

    TheD0n Senior member

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    Laptop batteries
     
  20. thekunk07

    thekunk07 Senior member

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    car, leather jacket, fridge, stove, suit, life/car/homeowners insurance
     

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