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Things you just don't get

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by tiecollector, Jul 3, 2009.

  1. Piobaire

    Piobaire Senior member

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    She is not funny. That's most of what I do not get about her. I can remember she was mildly funny many years ago but her fame and funniness seemed to inversely correlate.
     
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    I have to agree with Piob. She isn't funny to me, and the quirky shtick is more annoying to me than endearing.

    Maybe I just don't understand the market (and I stand by my assertion that her market is housewives, fat or otherwise), but I don't look at her and see anything about her brand that explains her ubiquity. That being the case, I don't think it's unreasonable to look elsewhere for an explanation.
     
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  3. Douglas

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    I find her consistently amusing, though admittedly what I typically see of her is something someone posted on FB or something so it is filtered by default. I watched not a second of the Oscars last night but I did laugh out loud when I read her joke presenting Anne Hathaway. But if you were watching last night, it's not surprising that she wouldn't have been funny; hosting the Oscars is a miserable task and basically everyone who attempts it fails.

    Edit to respond to MrG: Obviously, as she hosts a mid-day talk show, a large part of her market is housewives, but bringing their weight and progressiveness into the picture in your post bordered on ugly, IMO. Anyways, she is ubiquitous, so obviously someone feels she has appeal. I don't find it surprising - she is likeable enough and also vanilla enough that she captures a broad audience, young and old, gay and straight, male and female, SF denizens obviously exempted, but SFers don't shop at JC Penney, so there you have it.

    Anyways, you can not get her humor or not like it, the way my Dad doesn't get Conan O'Brien, and I don't get Andy Kauffman, but conceptually it's not hard to understand her success. It's much in the same vein as why Conan didn't work on the Tonight Show, and they replaced him with the far less funny (IMO) but far more cross-culturally-digestible Jimmy Fallon.
     
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    I like Ellen in general, but I didn't like her as the host of the Oscars. Her US Weekly "Stars, they're just like us! They eat pizza! They take selfies!" schtick was not a good fit for what is supposed to be the most glamourous awards show of the year. Maybe I'm an old fogey, but I'll take Billy Crystal any day.
     
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    The most obviously gay dude I know thinks musicals are just a bit too fruity. I think that is awesome.
     
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    I'll agree that calling them fat was ugly (and unnecessary), but I don't understand how the "progressive" comment was. I mean, it was a part of my point. I think a substantial part of her demographic is comprised of housewives who want to feel like they're "'in touch' and progressive," and the popularity of a non-threatening, goofy lesbian is a result of the aggregation of that desire. It's not even really a value judgement on whether or not they should want to be progressive. I'm simply saying I think they do, and her fame is a manifestation of that.
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Speaking of which, why is Jimmy Fallon famous? I don't think he's particularly funny.
     
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    Agreed.

    I remember watching an early episode of his late-night show, it might have even been the premiere, and it was so bad it made me uncomfortable. The bits I've seen of his later shows lead me to believe he's improved substantially since then, but I still find him unfunny and annoying the vast majority of the time, regardless of venue. The gushing fanboy routine is especially grating.

    I will admit that he can be pretty funny in the right sketch, but he is absolutely a small-dose comedian for me.
     
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    He's famous for getting famous people to do stupid non famous things

    Also snl. And impressions
     
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    So basically Ellen is getting affirmative action that allows a non-funny, but also non-threatening, lesbian to be famous as a comedic personality?
     
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  12. L'Incandescent

    L'Incandescent Senior member

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    Man, you guys are a tough audience!
     
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    He was always polarizing (partly due to his knack for cracking up at his own jokes), but I always thought that some of the best SNL bits from that era involved Jimmy Fallon.
     
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    Institutionalized affirmative action?
     
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    The Roots carried Late Night the first few weeks
     
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    Affirmative privilege.
     
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    Her stand up from back in the day is quite good. Anyone who moves to daytime talk is going to have to sell out a little bit.
     
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    Well, I disagree with MrG a bit. I don't think Ellen is getting "affirmative action" from her audience - err, at least her straight audience. I don't think her gay-ness has anything to do with why your average straight, cis-normative middle class American likes her. I think they like her because they find her funny and likeable. (Obviously your tastes run differently, but most of them would probably also find it strange that you make sausage and play the bagpipes and spend your spare time at work on a men's clothing forum.) I do think Ellen's homosexuality does create a certain devotion within the gay community because she "plays for their team," and the gay community does have particular clout in the entertainment industry and audience. And I think they doubly like her because she is liked by the straight community - she is mainstream gay in a way that someone like, I dunno, Dan Savage, who is more combative about gay issues, will never be. I think it's the gay community that has more invested in her homosexuality than any straight contingent sitting there patting themselves on the back for their open-mindedness.
     
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    I highly doubt fat suburban midwives watch Ellen to be progressive. They're not that smart. They just watch to be entertained and she's very like able.

    Style forum so hard to please
     
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    That's a pretty low bar.
     
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