Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bergdorf Goodwill, Feb 7, 2007.
I'm just an old cynical twisted exhausted dad of two...
ditto, except im not yet old and its 3 over here.
one of my competitors just launched a product that is going to cause problems for me. it's a crappy product, but it has two things that are on a lof of customers specifications, and it's less than half the price of my product. so, we have a lot better product and benifits, but the way a lot of specifications are written they are going to take a lot of our business in the coming year, and there isn't alot I can do about it. so, I just started my fiscal year and this hit me like a ton of bricks, I'm going to really have to hit the ground running to fight this issue.
Ooof. Can you lower the price significantly without completely demolishing your bottom line?
A few hours ago, I attended a meeting with a bunch of big wigs representing a big wig firm as outside counsel. As the youngest guy at the table and not management level among all attendees, I basically just sat there listening silently, taking notes and nodding where appropriate. After about an hour, I'm listening to my boss mention something when mid sentence when one of the partners asks a question I don't catch. My bosses look at me for a response and all I can muster is "excuse me? excuse me?", after 5-10 agonizing seconds, my 2nd boss (my boss' deputy), finally says "You were in touch with blah, right?" and I can finally answer "Yes, blah blah". Luckily I prepped my superiors really well ahead of the meeting and they were happy with the briefing and the actual meeting so it looks like they didn't mind my flubbering much.
not at all, unfortunatly. its like they tore the roof off a car in order to be able to say that it is an open car, and we have the whole convertable mechanism, but on paper they comply with the specs. it will take a year to shift the specs.
@GT Sort of sounds like the scenario where for the next year your company gets its brains bashed in while customer flock to new product. Any chance that as your customers come to realize that it's a crappy product that they all come back to you and buy what they should have to begin with?
My behavior has been pissing me off; I haven't really been all that happy for a while, and this has led to too much drinking just to make school, etc a bit enjoyable. I've finally realized that I'm a drunk, and that I probably should get help. I've spent Wednesday - Sunday drunk; I'd go out, wake up and repeat; I went five days without eating, five days of combining alcohol with every type of drunk imaginable. And now that I'm sober, wow does my life suck; I go to school and study a subject that I don't give a damn about, most of my friends are losers, I'm a loser. I look back on my dreams of a few years ago when I was in High School, and I've neglected every single one. I should have suck F*CK YOU to everyone who talked me out of going to either a trade school to learn jewelry / metal smithing or to a design school; I took everyone's advice to study business, and that sucks - I have no passion for it.
Sorry Styleforum, sometimes we just have to let it out; I know I need to shut the fuck up, but I'm irritated right about now, and I really need a beer and cigarette.
Fucking Facebook. What am I supposed to do with this shit?:
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If you choose to submit two other identification documents instead of a government issued photo ID, combined they must show your full name, birthday, and identification photo. Both must also have been issued by a respected formal institution (Ex. business, school, university).
-Be sure to black out any personal information that we don't need to verify your identity.
-If possible, please save each copy as a JPEG file.
-Please make sure that your name, date of birth, and photo are all clearly visible. For best results when taking a photo, lay the document on a flat, stable surface in a well-lit room. Use natural or indirect lighting to reduce glare.
Once we receive a clear image of your identification, we will reevaluate the status of your account and permanently delete your attached identification document from our servers.
Please note that we will not review your request until we receive your documentation per this request.
Its a fucking fake account. How do they want me to provide government id?
^ That's actually standard stuff for social networking sites nowadays. Recently, my friend wanted to shut down multiple (fake) MySpace accounts of her and tech support had her jump through a bunch of hoops. I can only imagine how much more thorough FB would approach it.
oh, we'll only lose about 10% of our international sales to this product, and I think that that will be for 1-2 years until they screw up a few installations, and my company will have a new lowe end product out in 3 years to compete with it, but that is still money out of my pocket, and a lot of stress. my salesmen, and a lot of my distributors, are freaking out about it, and I understand them. this looks like it will be a tough year.
It's funny to get a salesman's perspective of things. I work in a much different industry so it's not directly comparable, but it's an interesting dilemma for companies to deal with.
At my company the salespeople are always "whining" about how our products aren't competitive enough. They'll always "complain" that they need to be cheaper and the need to have certain features that "all of our competitor's products have".
On my side of the fence, we're always "complaining" that sales needs to extract higher margins from customers and sell more products to existing relationships. We always "whine" that if we made our products any cheaper we'd be completely unprofitable.
Somewhere in the middle both sides are unhappy, but yet we still sell enough at a high enough margin that we manage to keep the lights on.
They are used to dealing with mouth breathing idiots....
Do you get any of your utility bills in pdf form? If you know where to find a full version of acrobat, you can change some details, print it out, and take a crappy phone pic (or just fake the whole thing).
Since they need a birthdate as well which won't show up on any utility bill (though you could try adding a birthdate line...they might find that odd), it shouldn't be too hard to fake a crappy student ID with a crappy phone pic so that they can't tell how bad it looks.
OFJC AT&T sucks balls really badly right now. My home internet is hosed and after 20 minutes on hold, I gave up and headed to work. Now I'm on some live chat and I say that the internet at my house is down. Agent asks if I'm on the computer that can't connect to the internet. wtf you stupid atthole. We're on chat!
I'm a sales manager - not to stress my status, but just to show my position in the argument, so my guys are freaking out now, and want to drop our prices. they also see that they are going to lose serious money out of their pocket this year over the issue. but they are always complaining aoubt the various features that our competitors have that we don't have, or where we are two highly priced.
I am always telling people that if they can't sell the product we make, we need to find new sales guys who can.
and, the bottom line is that we have fucked up in certain places. our product is the best by far than our competitors, but of the 10 companies in the world, there is only one more expensive than us. so there are 5 or 7 major benifits we have, and in several places our distributors haven't gotten the end user to put those as requirments, they put in something easier to articulate, but also easier to work around. so, let's say we allow for 1000 levels of X, and they put in the spec "multiple levels" well, somebody with 2 levels is now jsut as good as we are in the spec. and they are half price. so we are facing a bunch of things like that. it's going to be a tough year, but we'll get past it.
4 years ago we threw this competitor out of the middle east, where they had had 100% market share for 20 years. now they are going to fight back, and that is fair. but in the end we'll throw them out again.
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