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marc37, tsk tsk. Why give such advice when you have in your signature this "mutant chelsea" by Prada, which may be worse.They look like really cheaply made shoes Tom. l think you would get more satisfaction from better made shoes. Why do you want to scimp on shoes for? l have seen your photo and you appear to dress quike o.k, don't let yourself down with rubbish shoes. Why don't you save up and buy something of [at least] Crockett & Jones quality. Resist the temptation to buy rubbish, it won't keep you happy in the end. Â Kind regards Tom: the shooman.