I saw these boots are on piperlime.com while I was getting some shirts off banana republic.com and I had a 10% off code. I was kinda bummed because with the code the shiny black ones where $70. If they black ones had been $50 like the red ones I would have gotten them. For half off retail, I can deal with the lesser quality of the china made ones. I personally couldn't see myself wearing red boots of any kind but for half off retail if your gonna wear them, go for it. I know of the stigma that comes with wearing red docs but for the most part your average person doesn't. If you have a shaved head and like to turn up your cuff to show off your salvege seam you might have a problem but unless you live in a area with a large neo nazi crowd, you prob in the clear.