The Zam Barrett Thread

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by 1234, Apr 24, 2012.

  1. hendrix

    hendrix Ill-proportioned

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    It's not slanderous to say something is derivative. Do you think an MC-er would be offended if you told him his suit looked like a Huntsman? If everyone could do that then noone would make the trip to Savile Row/Naples etc. It's a skill to be able to see what looks good in other designs and adopt them.

    Brad et al are not "bitching" or moaning here so I don't really understand the commotion. I don't think anyone needs to justify taking inspiration from anyone esle. Just don't expect us all to sit round and commentate that it's revolutionary design or anything like that.
     


  2. gettoasty

    gettoasty Senior member

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    Can you all stfu now? No one in here knows nothing including myself with the exception of Zam who at least puts his creativity to work. Everyone who is being critical seems to have some entitlement complex like their opinion is absolute. Get over yourself and go make something if you want to be OG

    Great if you enjoy the work, if not and you got nothing nice to say, please keep your comments to yourself. Didn't your mother teach you anything?

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  3. Zamb

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  4. Zamb

    Zamb Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Your comparisons are very interesting.
    I respect the fact that you were at least honest enough to admit that in your research you saw more of my work that gave you a broader perspective of what I do. As i said before, the siamese belt is nothing more that a fusion of two of out classic slim belt. If you were to cut the belt apart down the length of the belt, you would end up with two individual belts.

    Patchwork jeans have been around forever, so I don't think anyone can claim ownership of, or accuse anyone of copying that that. Our Zero Jeans was created as a series of garments along with the Zero Jacket as a study in Zero waste. I have never seen the one you presented before though. I know Number Nine did one several seasons ago, but I don't know by which designer the one you are showing was made

    Also never seen the jacket you presented before, nor do I know which designer its from. That pocket / dart configuration is a classic detail, used more so in women wear than mens, been around for ages. I would like if you could take a look at the entire Jacket which that pocket is a part of, rather than just the pocket detail itself.

    The Jeans comparison is interesting. and i say this because they Jeans is a development on our classic Soft J pants that are made with three panels on the leg instead of the traditional two, and has been one of the oldest pants offerings from our studio, existing before the release of the CCP dead end jeans. It would have been impossible for any designer to copy something that was made AFTER the item that is accused of being a copy.

     


  5. Zamb

    Zamb Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    I agree with you to an extent,
    except what is happening here isn't so much saying something is derivative, but that my entire offering of work as a designer is based simply on an approach of taking elements from others and appropriating it and calling it my own......
    Every designer draws inspiration from some source, and no one starts with a blank canvas in designing. For me as i said before, I have no interest in being a revolutionary, and I think a part of the problem is that many of us have established a standard for ourselves by which we judge designers, with Aesthetic coherence and Vision being the chief judging factor. Whenever someone like comes along that does not fit the traditional expectations that we have established then it becomes difficult for us to change our understanding or expectations.


    My business is built on a different set of principles than most, in part because i have a different skill set than most modern designers, and in part because I realized if I was gonna build a business, in order to be successful I would have to take a different route than the traditional ones taken.
     


  6. brad-t

    brad-t Bae Blade

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    I would have posted the full jacket in question if I could find a pic of it, I'm actually interested in seeing it since I really like this detail. The designer is Kazuyuki Kumagai.
     


  7. Magic1

    Magic1 Senior member

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    hendrix,

    the mc comparison is misleading, it's really a category error in that mc clothing is almost solely judged on construction, materials, and fit and streat wear is judged on design (with the understanding the construction is of second concern). In MC, the discrepancies in design are extremely subtle and when someone offers a comparison between tailoring houses (i.e. not design houses), the comparison reflects those characteristics, not design similarities.

    It's kind of like the difference between "this engine is made like a ferrari's" and "this car looks like a ferrari." If true, the second has a negative connotation, the first a positive.
     


  8. hendrix

    hendrix Ill-proportioned

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    The more I wear clothes the harder it is for me to find a difference between "design" and "subtle discrepancies". I take your point and I'm not going to claim that you can't draw a line between them, because you can if you want to and classic clothing enthusiasts certainly do, but I'm not sure in the end what that achieves.

    Miles off topic and all, but I want to use Great Styleforum Nerd Mafoofan to illustrate my point.

    Here is CM suit number 1 (ignore highlighted area, it was the only pic I could find).
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    and here is CM suit number 2
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    They look completely different to me. Sure the actual discrepancies are subtle but if the outcome is so different, why is that not considered "design" but instead house characteristics?

    Not really meant to be a point as such, just musings really.
     
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  9. Zamb

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    here you go............. have others of it but I think this one shows the details of it best



     


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  11. brad-t

    brad-t Bae Blade

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  13. Rmax Goodwin

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    zfactorie is having a 30% off sale everything right now...looks like they've got a pretty full stock too. Recently bought the double front raglan top in off white. Very happy with it. good fit, drape, color, and soooofft.

    http://shop.zambarrett.com/
     


  14. artishard116

    artishard116 Senior member

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    Recently I was fortunate enough to win a contest held by Zam Barrett :slayer:.

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    The prize was one of his new one-shoulder sling bags, and it's really beautiful so I thought I'd share. Color is blackish with lots of undertones of green, brown, etc. Thick, soft, substantial leather. It's lined in heavy cotton and has an exterior pocket and one inside. Antiqued hardware, RiRi zippers, etc. Enjoy:

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    Big thanks to Zam!
     
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    wow, really hope that comes out for sale soon! looks great :D
     


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