The Worst Look

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Jul 31, 2012.

  1. CaymanS

    CaymanS Senior member

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    Business casual has taken over and it's not going anywhere soon.

    A good buddy of mine is a partner at Kirkland & Ellis (top private equity law firm in the world by every conceivable metric) and he once said (and I quote) "We always know when we have small timers in the office because they're wearing suits. Guys at the 5 billion dollar+ funds never wear ties. Why would they? Who the fuck are they dressing up for?"

    That basically sums it up.

    In the world of finance, at the very highest level, you see a whole lot of business casual, which begets more business casual. Sorry, but by and large, billionaires aren't wearing ties for shit. That's 'tens of millions'-aire shit. Dispute me all you want, but these are the guys I hang around all day and I'm the only one wearing a tie, and it's because I want to.

    Just ask this guy, who's worth a cool 5 billy:

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    The young Sam Zell was quite a bit more dapper, but I guess at 5 billy you can put the grey flannel away forever and bust out da ugly shit...

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    Now go ahead and tell me 84 reasons why I'm wrong, or just accept that the elite stopped dressing up a long time ago and that's that.
     
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  2. MikeDT

    MikeDT Senior member

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    It's also the uniform of many Chinese males, that are over 30. Usually worn with a GoldLion, Dunhill or Hermes "H" belt and some kind of dress shirt or smart polo shirt. Rarely a suit, unless they work in a bank. Sport jackets, blazers and ties are seldom worn.

    Indeed it's seldom a flattering look..
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  3. Jackie Treehorn

    Jackie Treehorn Senior member

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    This has to be the fourth or fifth picture of a Chinese guy with his potbelly hanging out of his shirt that I've seen in the last month. Please tell me they're all pics of the same dude, and this isn't a trend or something?
     


  4. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The first thing mentioned here is to wear a sweater over the dress shirt with dress pants. I feel like this is on the very same level to a large degree as just wearing a dress shirt. It is an immature way to trying to look more dressed up. You end up just looking like you work at the mall.

    I agree the the sportcoat, but I made that clear in my post.

    My largest disagreement lies in JT's notion that you should "fit in". This is against my personal philosophy, and I think it does more harm than good to how people preceive you, and how you feel. If you want to wear suits than by all means wear a suit, if you want to wear a sportcoat than do it. Who cares if it gets attention! Of course you don't want to go against the dress code and wear something outlandish, we are talking about an outfit that millions of people put on to go to work in every day. Do what thou wilt, so mete it be!
     


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    timotune Senior member

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  6. RicPac

    RicPac Senior member

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    this happens in china because they are hot. they believe that the center of their chi is their bellybutton, so they expose it when they are hot because their chi "cools down:".
     


  7. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I don't think my belly button has seen UV rays in about 15 years.
     


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    I suppose that's true if it's something boring like a navy v-neck. Otherwise, I'm inclined to disagree.
     


  9. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Actually, besides are boring navy, or charcoal sweater what would you wear over a dress shirt? Don't tell me horizontal stripes...
     


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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I just think sweaters over a dress shirt is a very lazy way to try to look better. A sportcoat makes you look 1000 times better.
     


  11. crinklecut

    crinklecut Senior member

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    I understand your reasoning, but today I wore a purple merino crewneck over a light blue button-down with light grey flannel pants and felt okay about myself.
     


  12. MikeDT

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    It most certainly is a trend I'm afraid. And is very much part of the culture when the temperature rises.
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/bellybelly
    30 Chinese Men Beating The Heat

    Also happens in Cambodia and Vietnam as well.
     
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  13. NoCleverName

    NoCleverName Senior member

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    I'm with Jackie Treehorn on the hierarchical dressing. I'm generally dressing for myself, but if I were to wear a sport coat or a suit to work, especially with a tie, it would be terribly out of place. My management doesn't wear sport coats or ties, you have to get up to just sub-vice president level before you see people regularly wearing SCs or suits. Most people are in jeans and polos or even jeans and t-shirts. I think I could get away with a sweater + dress shirt or sweater+tie+dress shirt though.
     


  14. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Senior member

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    That is truly disturbing.
     


  15. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    You ever think that those people could have been wearing that before they were promoted? I have noticed in the company that I work for better dressed people get promoted more. Maybe it has nothing to do with the clothes. Maybe it is that people who put more effort in their appearance in the workplace are just better workers and take themselves more seriously, rather than perfunctory. I am just strongly against wearing something to fit in. So much so that I would probably get a different job if it meant not being comfortable in wearing what I want.
     


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