Still missing the point. I wasn't asking anyone about Kabbaz shirts in this thread. I'd write more to explain what I was talking about, but I'd be repeating myself and, for whatever reason, you are ignoring substantial portions of my posts. Are you forgetting this already? http://184.108.40.206/showpost.php?p=572233&postcount=12 I can speak to the former, but not the latter. Not popular to ask on the other forum, but: how many of us have actually worn, nonetheless seen, a Kabbaz shirt? Photos of examples are extremely rare, particularly of them being worn.