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The Windsor Knot: "Mark of a Cad"?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by jrd617, Nov 5, 2010.

  1. blackbowtie

    blackbowtie Senior member

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    Why did you switch?

    This is how I wore a Windsor before I switched to tying four in hand knots almost exclusively.

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    March 4 by A chuisle mo chroÃ, on Flickr
     
  2. A chuisle mo chroi

    A chuisle mo chroi Member

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    Why did you switch?

    My guy at RL recommended I switch... I liked the look so I stuck with it.
     
  3. Will C.

    Will C. Senior member

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    It hate it on principle - it was originally a vulgar attempt on the part of the American public in the late-30s to ape the moderately thick four-in-hand knots of the DoW, after whom it was named, and who never actually tied the 'windsor' - and also for the aesthetically jarring way the knot's bulbous, squat triangle contradicts the lithe vertical movement of the blade underneath. This applies not only to the 'double-windsor' but also to its many cousins united by their bulbous symmetry, including half-windor, pratt, shelby, etc (in my view they're just minor variations of the same style).

    The Four-in-hand knot for the Four-in-hand necktie. There's a reason they share the same name.

    Having said that, I understand why some men wear the windsor, it does have a certain appeal when expertly tied and fastidiously coordinated. But I refuse to accept that there are any circumstances under which it is actually necessary (even with wide collar spreads) and I think it always lacks a certain effortlessness and natural grace.
     
  4. cold war painter

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    See also: Premiership footballer's court appearance; mobile phone sales assistant.

    When I started medical school one of the tutors gave us a long list of things that were in/appropriate to do when on the hospital wards, which finished with "and don't wear a full Windsor knot". When someone ventured to ask why he stated flatly "because they're bloody ugly".

    I was brought up to tie a half Windsor, I remember a post from someone else here saying that when he was in school the FIH was reserved for special ed kids who couldn't quite cope with anything else. Having said that I now often tie a FIH or double FIH, just depends on the tie or how I'm feeling. I don't do full Windsors personally but it can be done well.
     
  5. SpallaCamiccia

    SpallaCamiccia Senior member

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    I hate Windsor and full Windsor knots.

    I doesn´t looks good on a tall skinny guy as me. And all the people that wears those in my country are nouveau riches , socialists politicians that want to impress ( always without the last button on as Felipe Gonzalez, the infamous expresident ) and some douches.

    No dandy or aristocrat uses those.

    I wonder why it´s so used on Germany by serious people.
     
  6. Matt S

    Matt S Senior member

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    Only a man who despises the Windsor knot so much can tie a decent one.

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    With a narrow tie the Windsor knot isn't so offensive. And the knot needs to be pulled tight, no big loose knots.
     
  7. ysc

    ysc Senior member

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    I thought the mark of a cad was not giving a reach-around?
     
  8. lasbar

    lasbar Senior member

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    See also: Premiership footballer's court appearance; mobile phone sales assistant.

    Don't start me on mobile phone SA?[​IMG]

    I have genocidal thoughts when you did mention it.
     
  9. bringusingoodale

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    All those bloody ugly full Windsor knots are ugly because the ties are bloody fat and bulging to begin with. A full Windsor on a slim tie looks good. It's a great way to create some structured formed on a slim look.
     
  10. Kentishman

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    Don't start me on mobile phone SA?[​IMG] I have genocidal thoughts when you did mention it.
    ...and their penchant for wearing three haircuts at once? That's another thread though :smalltimer laugh: EDIT: Genocide? Now that's angry.
     
  11. lasbar

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    ...and their penchant for wearing three haircuts at once? That's another thread though :smalltimer laugh:

    EDIT: Genocide? Now that's angry.


    Three haircuts and trying to sell some 5 year contract and an insurance with a thousand pounds access to replace the handset...
     
  12. Flea Spray

    Flea Spray Active Member

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    It's the only knot I can do that ends up symmetrical, and stays that way. I usually have to fuss with it a bit to narrow the triangle from its default shape a bit, but the result looks best to me. I also find it the easiest to get a nice dimple that stays put at the top of the tie, where it leaves the knot.

    I don't really care about the whole 'mark of a cad' thing, except if someone were to think that I see/advertise myself as a cad, which is why I'm using it.
     
  13. Will C.

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    It's the only knot I can do that ends up symmetrical

    then stop trying to make your knots symmetrical.
     
  14. amplifiedheat

    amplifiedheat Senior member

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    I never understood why people live by the etiquette of this fictional character.

    The books do paint a slightly more racist/sexist/angry portrait than the movies.
     
  15. MTLGuy

    MTLGuy Well-Known Member

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    Windsor knots are nice if they are not too big. FIH knots can also be nice. I often get a kick out of reading this threads.
     
  16. cptjeff

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    Only a man who despises the Windsor knot so much can tie a decent one.


    With a narrow tie the Windsor knot isn't so offensive. And the knot needs to be pulled tight, no big loose knots.


    I give him the benefit of the doubt on that being a pratt or a half windsor.

    As an aside, the pratt is a very nice knot, IMO. It has body and is fairly symmetrical without being obscenely large.
     
  17. Will C.

    Will C. Senior member

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    Have your jackets made with a breast pocket on both sides if you want symmetry. [​IMG]
     
  18. benjamin831

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    Too symmetrical, too fat, too neat. Often associated with used-car salesmen.

    Avoid.
     

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