The Wide Fitting Shoe Trading Post (EEE / G width)

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  1. comrade

    comrade Senior member

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    I don't know about last numbers but at the AE company store in San Francisco,
    when any of their models fit accross the widest part of my foot, the heel and instep
    was so loose that I could have walked out of them.
     
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  2. jrd617

    jrd617 Senior member

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    Can anyone help me fill out this list of wide lasts?

    To recap on the benchmade English side:

    Crockett and Jones: 314, 317 and 341 lasts
    Loake/Charles Tyrwitt: 026, Capital, and Legend lasts
    Cheaney: 2003 and 4436 lasts
    Trickers: 6038L last
    Church's: ?
    Grenson: ?
    Barker: 424 and 396 lasts
    Alfred Sargent: ?
    Sanders:
     
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    Was just about to suggest this. I have that CT-branded Loake in brown suede, and I love it. Thought I was never going to be able to find a chukka that fit for less than $500.
     


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    You can just google 'em and find different ones at various price points depending upon your need.

    Here is what I have:
    https://www.footfitter.com/p/101-01...retcher.html?gclid=CJbh2-SIkbQCFUxxQgodWFUA_A

    If you're more on the Sasquatch level or have odd bunions or whatever, this may be the call:
    https://www.footfitter.com/p/101-90...-deluxe.html?gclid=CI-95YCJkbQCFUjZQgodGxcA3A

    I bought mine years ago when I realized for the price of a cobbler doing the job with the same tool I could just buy one and do it at home. I mean, it wasn't like my feet were going to get any smaller.

    There are various sprays that can be used to loosen the leather, but I have never used them - most cobblers so add that to the mix but, as far as I can tell, it just accelerates the process. I generally throw it in upon purchase, crank it open, and let it sit. Then wear the shoes a bit, see where it might still be rubbing, and then move the metal bumps and stretch it some more. Pretty blunt instrument, but very effective and only marginally more than a pair of cedar trees.
     


  5. Spark

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    JRD -

    On C&J, the 325 is pretty wide..good rounded toe but not bulbous..and the 240 can work as well. The 325 is wider than the 337 (I have both) and 240 a bit narrower than the 337

    Brooks sells both in the Peal line. Again, many of these are special runs for Brooks and you can gain some extra real estate if they have them in a US E (which I think is a UK F in these models) as opposed to the standard D. The 240 is available in the punched cap toe and the 325 is the split toe...the single monk is also a 240 I believe....but I'd have to look.

    My experience is that Sergeants tend to run a bit wider overall.

    I also have a lot of suede shoes - Alden, CJ, Sargent, Sanders, Loake, etc. Beyond the aesthetic, ease of care, and the advantages for travel - all of which I really like - they simply accommodate a bigger foot better because the softer leather gives more easily and molds to your foot. Apparently Astaire wore these all the time because of his bunions.

    On a final note, one thing I learned in a long afternoon in C&J's Jermyn Street store is that width is only part of the challenge we face - "volume" is the other. This is one thing that makes loafers more tricky than other shoes if you are big footed and has a lot to do with vamp placement. So, for example, the hand grade Merton loafers really fit me because of the extra volume in the vamp compared to a slightly wider but lower volume shoe with a lower vamp placement. With laced shoes, you have more leeway because you can cinch them up to accommodate a less than spot on fit.
     


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    I believe in their exclusive line the Wilson (Bal Cap Ox) is on the 104 last and is available in a G fitting

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    A Fine Pair of Shoes do small batch MTOs of shoes and can get any shoe from the Bench Grade (Exclusive) or Hand Grade line made to their Bench Grade standards (aka not nearly as expensive). All three of the hand grade lasts offer the G width. The orders require at least 6 orders for a run. I ordered a pair from the last group order. It was the Blake in a G width.

    I've been looking for anyone interested in ordering their Armfield/Drayton (Cap Toe Ox) in a black calf/cordovan.

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    And/Or the Pendle (Punch Cap Ox) in a Burgundy/ #8 Calf/Cordovan


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    This could also be a chance to get shoes that aren't usually available to us with wide feet as we could probably get them to make their Ramsey double monk on one of the Hand Grade lasts (19/48) so that orders can be made in a G fitting.

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    I'd really like to get some of these "Basics" in a nice wide-fitting shoes at bench-grade prices so if anyone else is interested let me know and we can get an order going! More information available at the thread A Fine Pair of Shoes x Alfred Sargent MTO Thread
     


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    I'm interested in wide-fitting AS as well. All of the models you mentioned sound good. We should try to get an order going.
     


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    When one says wide what does that mean?
    If it's 3EEE or 4EEEE US, AS will not be able to acommodate you.
    Several years ago Church's in London had a three eyelet derby
    in 4E in one of their better grades. I am in that category. I was able
    to get several pairs of dress shoes at Ludwig Reiter in Vienna-
    Spitzderby Model- Amerikaner Last.- widish forefoot narrow heels
    not generous instep. They also have a Uniform Last which might work.
    Their shoes cost considerably more than Aldens. They are very well-
    made.


    http://www.ludwig-reiter.com/?nav=produkte&lang=en
     


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    Well I was talking about a G width. Now I remember hearing Chay from AS say someone in the company had like H width feet, so I'm assuming those shoes are made. So you're right, if you're talking some extra wide feet I'm not sure it will satisfy you but if you find most dress shoes a little too snug in their traditional make up, I'm sure the G fitting will be accommodating.
     


  11. jrd617

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    Anyone interested in taking these 2012 model AE's off my hands?

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    Both have pretty clean uppers, and have been freshly polished with Saphir Renovateur, Pomadier, and a ton of elbow grease. The brown calf Malvern's have dainite soles and were worn about 3x times. The brown calf patriots have regular soles and were worn exactly twice.

    I decided that they were just not wide enough for me. I am a huge outlier on the bell curve. Bought them at retail ($335) and FIRST QUALITY.

    I'd be taking a massive loss. Shoot me offers. This is basically a PSA. Hoping to hook someone up and cut my losses.

    (Trees not included, final sale of course)


    1. Allen Edmonds Patriot, size 9EEE, brown calf with regular soles

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    2. Allen Edmonds Malvern, size 8.5 EEE (runs long), brown calf with dainite rubber soles

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    what last are they? too small for me, but maybe others might need the info.
     


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    These casual shoes run very wide.
    I have a pair of an earlier model that I bought
    about 10 years ago. Because I have very wide feet
    (4E running shoe) with narrow heels and low insteps ,
    i went up 1 size to 43 European (9.5 US, more of less)
    and use an insole to take up some of the volume.
    I just got two pairs, and may buy a third, if they have my size.
    They are indestructable.

    http://www.comfortoneshoes.com/1803-Shoes-Campo-Brown-Suede-Ankle-Boot_p_14085.html
     


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    Tricker's 4497S last (country last, used for Stow, Keswick). Wide last, slightly low instep.
     


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