thanks for the comments.. this is truly monday morning blah material. uninspired. rolled out of bed and found the closest thing to acceptable possible. The lighting this AM was just too good to pass up.. the Santoni's were pretty bitchin' in their day, but agreed - they're looking pretty haggard now and probably need to get tossed. And the cardigan is a confusing piece to wear, and I'm still trying to determine it's application...which it probably has, just haven't really found yet.. thanks again. I need to work on my work clothes. That what I've been trying in vain to accomplish and I just wind up with a sloppy mish-mash hybrid of biz-cas and sw&d..