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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    academe - thanks for those pics and the info. very cool.

    Lebowski10 - i used to know the Ball history, but i have forgotten it, have not read up on them in a long while. as said before, they are not known for their dress watches. the ones you posted were nice looking, and for the price point not bad at all. but i think you should look into longines, B&M and maybe some less expensive omegas as well. but if Ball is what you really desire after all your research is done, dont let the fact they are not super well known or forum loved, stop you. get what works for you. just my opinion.
     
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    I've seen and tried on a few Ball watches several years ago. The ones I tried on were sportier than what you are considering. I found them kind of clunky, not particulary impressive almost more of a styling exercise than a quality watch, and the gas tubes were a novelty that I think would wear quickly on me.

    I think if you like the watch and the price fits your budget, then either could be fine. I can understand your friend's discount making these watches very enticing. The ones you are considering are normal looking, and not goofy like some of their sportier pieces. As expected (in their price range) most of their watches use ETA movements, which are good solid workhoreses, but nothing exceptional.

    I'm not really sure one could describe a watch or brand as SF approved. We all have different tastes, budgets, and needs...so no watch can be everything to everyone. There are lots of top of the line brands that offer models I would never buy, great quality but not my taste. So SF approval should be taken with a grain of salt.

    However, I like Papa Knot's suggestion of looking at some vintage Omegas, Zeniths, or maybe some vintage Heuers, or Movados (not the quartz ones you see at a mall). You would get something different and probably much higher quality.
     
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    I'm a huge fan of AP (I love my RO) but I feel like this year's offerings while maybe a new use of matterials, seems like stuff we've seen before. The Offshore is a great model and a huge success for them, but after a while the various versions such as the Volcano, the Bumble Bee, Safari, Montoya, CF, all start to look the same to me. Yes some of the matterials are differnt, but mostly I find the most distinguishing feature is only what bright color they use to highlight the dial or strap.
     
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    Beautiful boots and a great watch!!!
    +1

    I really haven't seen anything new that I would add to my "Must haves" list or a new "Grail" watch.
     
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    Re: Ball watches

    Keep in mind that tritium tubes will lose their glow in a decade or so and and then be difficult to replace. Tritium tube watch hands and markers were originally designed for military issue wristwatches, particularly for aviators. Most of those were meant to be consumables with quartz movements and plastic cases.

    Meanwhile Luminova works forever.
     
  6. Lebowski10

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    Hey all,

    Thanks a lot for the input on the Ball Watches - I'm quite open to looking into a vintage omega/zenith...these can be found between $800-$1000? That sounds like a steal!

    Stitch/others - agreed on the SF Approved point, I wouldn't let that alone deter me. However, it is nice to know what the more style savvy gents think about the watch's appearance - this site got me onto Allen Edmonds shoes and now I'm hooked!

    I'm also pretty torn between a silver face vs a blue...leather vs bracket...tough calls
     
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    I am not entirely sure I agree. I think many of the great houses could - in some interpretations - be accussed of incrementalism; the other view is that these changes represent subtle evolutions of core and beloved designs. Lots of viewer subjectivity comes into play in either case. For example, I wasn't particularly thrilled by APs 'updated' ROs last year. I still believe that 39mm is probably the optimum case size, and don't really 'get' the new 37 and 41 case sizes. The only 'new' offering I really liked was the re-issued Jumbo, but still wouldn't buy one because its still too similar to my Dualtime for me to fork out the cash for it.

    I suppose my interest in the new Diver stems for the fact that I've come to think of it as the latest successor to the original RO, and have been keen to see how it evolved. The ceramic case is a nice addition to the range and will make it very different from a tactile and visual perspective.

    Actually have been wishing that AP would revise their Edward Piguet offerings. Have often felt that was the least developed line...
     
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    I do like the MUT Moon but the seconds hand bothers me for some reason. Would have preferred it with only hours, minutes, date and moon phases.
     
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    Lebowski10 - i would recommend a leather strap. much more versatile. easily goes from casual dressy. bracelet, not so much.
     
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    I was thinking the same, stitch - especially since I find myself wearing brown shoes/belt the majority of the time...my tag with a black case and bracelet can fill in for the black shoe and casual attire
     
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    Beautiful watch Dino! VC always makes such extravagant designs. Reminds me of the Cioccolatone somewhat. Interesting to see the JLC cal 822 in there. By the way, do you actually own a Dino?
     
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    I agree that many great watch companies practice incrementalism and current designs slowly evolve. There is nothing wrong with that. Rolex has done that for a long time and one of the benefits is that models do not look dated in just 5 years or so and resale remains strong on watches like Submariners, GMTS, Daytonas, etc. I guess I just didn't see much that excited me from SIHH from any watch companies including AP.

    AP does work in differnet materials, although I'm not sure I alway see a value in that, especially at the prices they charge. I can see using Titanium (very light weight, hypo alergenic for those with allergies to nickel alloys, and very durable) and I recognize thats a very tough material to work with, hence its cost is reflected when used for watches. Carbon Fiber makes sense in a racing car where weight savings combined with strength are crucial to top speed and acceleration. However, on AP's carbon watches...well to me it just cheapens the look of the watch. Much of the details of the case and bezel get lost in the black coloring, not to mention, although its just my taste I find black watches are sometimes cool looking but often remind me of inexpensive plastic watches...but thats just me. The Offshore is a great watch, its just I find many of the newer versions are just color changes (and they do way too many limited edition Offshores. If you do lots of limited editions often based on color changes, eventually they just don't seem as special). As for the new ceramic diver if you love it go for it. Its nice looking although it basically looks like their Offshore Carbon Diver other than the markings are now orange instead of yellow. I really like the diver, I just prefer in in steel with a matching bracelet....but I can see a strap would also make it a different experience than your Dual Time, which is a beauty!

    I agree the Edward Piguet line is largely underdeveloped or forgotten.
     
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    Hi B,

    Interesting, I've never looked at it and thought about the Cioccolatone. However, now that you mention it, the layering/stepped effect does remind me of it. Although, the Carree's design is based on a VC from the 1930s while I believe the Cioccolatone is from around the 1950s. Who knows, maybe the Carree got them to thinking about watch a watch would look like if they rounded and smoothed most of its lines...just kidding...no idea. Both are beauties IMHO.

    My friends call me Dino. I don't own a Dino, but I have one of its descendants, a 1989 328GTS.
     
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    Fully agree with you on the multiple LE iterations of the ROO chronos. It's a bit of a smorgasbord, but many love them for it.

    Toss up for me when I next have the cash is between either the Jules Extra Thin or one of the Divers...The Millenary 4101 has been on my radar, too. Apples and oranges, I know. I waver back and forth. Would like to have a refined dress watch in my collection, but feel that I would get more use from the Diver. I spend most of my spare time chasing after small children, I wear tweeds and flannels to work, and spend time in the outdoors, so in many ways, the Diver would be a better fit to my lifestyle...
     
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    Nice Overseas! :) I do like it on a strap.
     
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    What about a Stowa or Nomos? My Stowa was around 800 I think.

    It gets more wrist time than my Sub LV

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    Talking about AP, PP, and VC, and their respective reputations has kind of got me thinking recently. As a relative newcomer to horology, it is interesting to read the perspective of others in regards to the 'trinity.' As a younger guy (at least in regards to most on this thread), I feel like I have a very different perspective of the trinity than most. I think that out of the three, I definitely view PP to be in a league of its own (I am excluding AL&S). PP is definitely what I have always perceived as the tip-top of the tier. Somewhere below them I view VC. I actually never heard of VC until I became more interested in watches. Even now, I view them as a slight step down from PP, but in the same realm.

    What I find kind of funny is how people tend to lump AP in with PP and VC (and AL&S). At least from my perspective, I generally associate AP with rappers, nouveau riche, etc. In a lot of ways, like a more expensive Hublot or possible IWC. Now, that is not to say that I necessarily think that. There are a lot of AP pieces that I would LOVE to own. I just typically do not think of them as being part of that top tier anymore. They do not market like PP or VC, they have much more 'mainstream' styles, they use celebrities. When I think of AP, I automatically think of the ROO, and various special editions.

    I guess I just find it interesting, because for me, AP just does not hold the same cachet as I think it does for other generations.
     
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    newcomer - that is very interesting.

    i first started learning about watches in my early 20s, mostly through advertisements, and then through watch articles and eventually watch magazines at about 25. around that time, i actually had mentally grouped AP/VC/PP together in my head, before i ever heard the term, "the big three." just from the ads i saw, the things i read, and the vibe i got. i just put those 3 at the top of the pile, and i dont think i am from an earlier generation, i mean, im only 30 (even though saying that makes me feel old).

    so i find it interesting that though you probably saw much of the same things i did, you processed it differently.

    i do think that a lot of people think first of RO/ROO when they hear AP, and that is certainly different than the vibe of VC/PP, but for me, the first image i think of is the equation of time watch, and that is probably because i saw so many ads for it. when i think of AP i think of their very rich history, the fact they are still privately owned and partially by someone of the original family, their many many high complication watches, their constant innovations in haute watchmaking, and their very classy models. the RO/ROO are a nice (the nice ones that is, everyone makes watches that people dont like) afterthought to me. like a tasty dessert after a steak. and for me, that is why i feel they deserve to be planted firmly in "the big three."

    sidebar - i also had, and still do have, the impression, that though PP is part of "the big three," i see them as slightly above.
     
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    Hey! I'm only 28! lol. I see where you are coming from though but of the people who i know around my age who are into watches most would definitely group VC and Patek together, some would even consider VC more prestigious because it is less well known that PP so a kind of inverse snobbery. Actually a friend of mine (take this with a grain of salt because he only has a VC and not a Patek) even goes so far as to say that PP is for CEOs, heads of state etc, while VC is for aristocrats and old money. In my view though i would say VC, PP, AL&S etc are all top of the food chain when it comes to watches and which one is better is all just nitpicking.
     
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