The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. Dino944

    Dino944 Senior member

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    Some very nice choices. I really like that JLC Master Control Chronograph, thats a beauty! Obviously, you have to buy a brand and watch that you are happy with, both interms of functions and what appeals to you. You have some good possible choices in the $5-7,000 range. I can tell you if you tire of watches quickly and like to trade them, stay away from GO and JLC. As nice as they are a friend of mine has a limited edition JLC Master Antoine 8 day reserve, 1 of 200 made in platinum. When he wanted to trade/sell it to buy something else, one place told him they weren't interested in what they called "off brands" like JLC, GO, UN etc. They really focus on buying Patek, Lange, Rolex as they said there is a distinct and strong used market for these brand, while JLC, GO, UN and others you have to wait and hope to find the right buyer. It was a learning lesson for him. In the end it worked out since he decided to keep his JLC, but its quite an eye opener when a place says there isn't much of a used market for fine watches like JLC. It doesn't mean there isn't a used market for them, just that its much smaller and with a smaller audience you might not get as much of your money out of a watch or it might take longer to do so. On the other hand discounts have always been greater on watches like JLC's than Rolex so that might be something to consider.
     


  2. Warren G.

    Warren G. Senior member

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    Try buying used, and make sure you really like it. Like Dino said, they're a bitch to sell or trade even on TZ/purist. I really like that MC chronograph, couple right now listed for 6200ish on TZ.
     


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    If I could find the first and third watch, I doubt very seriously that I would get rid of them. Unfortunately, I have no idea the model or reference number. In my research, I have found that there is great value in buying Rolex because they retain their value.
     


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    Hmmm, that certainly does make sense. If you do sell a JLC or GO, I guess the market isn't stellar. The first and third watch are, I believe, the somewhat-recently discontinued Master Date. They pop up fairly often, reference number: Q147842A. And I just have one JLC, alas, but I feel fairly committed to them over many other brands. My next several purchases will probably also be JLCs, as I still would like a MUT Moon, Reverso, and MUT RDM. But that will be several years from now, easy! Getting a Chronograph in your price range will be incredibly tricky though, especially one that is not some Valjoux variation. I still do love that Portuguese Automatic, even if it is based on a modified Valjoux 7750. From what I have heard, IWC does a crazy amount of variation.

    Personally, I don't really buy for value retention. Sure, I guess there is something nice about being able to sell your watch for the same or more than you paid for it, but I don't really care to think like that. I generally buy something with the intention of never selling it. I will think about some other ideas, and try to get back to you CB.

    And please, Dino, I want to see that other VC! They make some incredibly gorgeous watches.
     


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    Seiko Credor Eichi
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    By several people considered to be finished to a higher standard than Philippe Dufour's work... I'd buy one instantly if I found one for sale.

    Let's put it this way - you can buy a watch to impress other people: buy a Rolex or Omega if you are surrounded by mostly middle-class aspirational types or a Patek or A. Lange if you are surrounded by bankers. Or you can buy a watch because you care about watches and the work that goes into them... And then there are a lot more possibilities (like GO or a bunch of independent makers).
     


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    1968, one owner, all original down to the insert...finally got one.

    Regards.
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    Shikar Senior member

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    gdl203, Awesome thread as evidenced by the previous 9,999 posts.....this is the 10,000th one!
     
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  8. Warren G.

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    Congrats man, 1675 with faded Pepsi bezel is probably one of my favorite Rolex.

    Edit : wow I missed out on the 10k post :D
     
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    Tourneau asks top dollar for their used watches. I've purchased two mint watches from the timezone sales corner. Both deals were totally drama free.

    Have you tried on an older Exp1? It's a small watch. I'd suggest a no date sub as a reasonably priced preowned option. Most people will never notice that it's a Rolex, since it has no cyclops.
     


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    Thanks for the JLC Master Date Reference No. I'm not buying with the intention of selling or trading either but it seems to be a recurring theme on the watch forums. It just gave me something else to think about.
     
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    Yeah, I mean I definitely get it, but I think with such a large purchase it would be wise to go with your heart on this one. A watch is such a personal item! And for second hand definitely check out Timezone. I have not had anything but excellent experiences, and you can get some GREAT deals.

    And in regards to the 10,000th post, I am really liking how this thread has quickly turned in to a discussion thread and a porn thread. I like that there is more discourse on watches on this forum now.
     


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    Similar to Cuttingboard, I'm also looking for a new watch, and in the under 7.5K range (preferably around 5K). This will be my first "real" watch, and probably the only watch I'm going to wear for a long time.

    So I've been trying to decide based on the balance of several criteria, in rough order of priority.
    • Aesthetics, of course.
    • Versatility -- Since this will be my only watch for a while, I want to be able to wear it in a lot of different situations; the classics "suits to jeans".
    • Durability -- Of course I'd prefer that it doesn't break. But this also includes resistance to scratches, can it take a little splashing around (definition TBD...), can I pass it on to my (as yet unborn) kids?

    But anyways, on to the fun stuff, the candidates:

    IWC Portuguese Chronograph 3714

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    (Love the aesthetics, concerned about the durability.)

    Rolex Submariner 14060M

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    (I like the aesthetics slightly less, but definitely wins on the durability, and slightly better on the versatility front, I think.)

    The other idea is to just give up completely on the versatility front, and go for the dressier watch that will get less wear, and with that, the need for durability becomes less, and then get some really nice in that space (like a JLC Ultra Thin, Ultra Moon, or Master Chronograph).

    Thoughts?
     


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    IWC 3714 is by far one of my favorites
     


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    no pics on this computer but I'll try to get some up
    IWC 3706 on croc
    IWC MK XV (the old style) white face on buffalo w/deployment
    Omega Speedmaster Moony w/hesalite on steel band
    Rolex Sub date 16110
    Panerai 111H on a few, I like the rubber/deplyment and black croc w/buckle
     


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    Lots of stuff going on, here are my thoughts:

    1. Newcomer: I too enjoy the discussions we have here now. Just hope we don't get smacked down by gdl203 for straying from his original intent too much [​IMG] Congrats on the 10k mark too!

    2. Cuttingboard: I wouldn't get too hung up on the idea of resale value. It's one thing if you like a particular Rolex, but I don't think you should make a decision based solely on that factor (a good article on the subject: http://www.chronocentric.com/watches/buyersguide.shtml#resale). It does sound as if you want a piece for the long haul, and the master control series is an excellent choice. I do think the overall aesthetic of the master control series is "classy" whereas a chronograph strikes me as a sportier complication (more on this point below...)


    3. kngspook: Both of those are excellent choices for versatile watches (I think the watch snob wrote about that and those are 2 of the 4 he mentioned). I can shed some light on the dress watch front as my first and only real watch is the MUT Moon 39, and I am in the market for a more versatile/sporty watch now (submariner, speedmaster pro, zenith el primero 38mm). I can't say I am upset with my decision though. Since it was a gift from my wife for our wedding I wanted something formal (thus anything sporty was out of the question, so was swapping/reselling it at a later date). It took me a year to settle upon it (enough time to let any fad choices pass through my system). I guess what I am trying to say is, take your time if you are looking to buy a piece you are going to keep for the rest of your life. I would avoid the chronograph in the master control series simply because there are many beautiful chronographs out there (ones with more history too), but there are very few reasonably priced, elegant dress watches as other master control watches (and I don't see myself buying two master control watches for my collection).
     
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