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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

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Mr. Moo

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The new 38.5mm Saxon is pretty sweet. I like the reduced case size and slightly longer railway track markers; definitely more dial presence than the first iteration:

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I tried on the slightly larger 40mm version earlier this year and liked it very much...I even liked the full-sized rotor (though Lange purists will always favour the hand-wounds or micro-rotor calibres).


I am not really feeling this Lange, at all.
 

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Ouch, that's harsh.

By chance, one of my colleagues has the current automatic Portofino while another has the self-winding Saxonia; I can assure you that there isn't much resemblance in the metal.

The Lange is sublime. The IWC (the one with the generic Sellita movement and the eyesore of a date window marooned near the middle of the dial)... not so much.



I am sure the movements and case details and dial are much better towards the Lange (though IWC finishing isn't anything to scuff at) but just on pure looks alone, the Portofino was the first watch that came to mind. I mean that is in no way a knock on the looks though, I like Portofino line and if they simple came in a smaller case I would highly consider them.

Really no point in even mentioning movements either as I never said anything about it, we are talking purely about looks here.

But in case you are wondering I have held both (though not at the same time) but I can assure you there is definitely a resemblance in the metal. IWC always gets knocked when they do not use an in-house movement but their case finishing are one of the best out there no matter what line it is.
 

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I am sure the movements and case details and dial are much better towards the Lange (though IWC finishing isn't anything to scuff at) but just on pure looks alone, the Portofino was the first watch that came to mind.
I mean that is in no way a knock on the looks though, I like Portofino line and if they simple came in a smaller case I would highly consider them.

Really no point in even mentioning movements either as I never said anything about it, we are talking purely about looks here.

But in case you are wondering I have held both (though not at the same time) but I can assure you there is definitely a resemblance in the metal. IWC always gets knocked when they do not use an in-house movement but their case finishing are one of the best out there no matter what line it is.


Fair enough; I went on a slight tangent there in describing why I think the Portofino is super lame-o.

OK, they're certainly more superficially similar than different. But my first impression of the IWC was that it was probably some kind of mall watch, while the Lange appeared to be something special at the first glance. Both these impressions were formed well before I actually saw either one close enough to tell what it was.

It might be due to the white gold vs. steel thing, but it's more likely just because I notice date window placement when I'm sizing up a watch, and I'm obviously not keen on an inboard one since it's the calling card of a case that's too big for its likely-to-be-unremarkable movement.


By the way, I'll knock IWC even when they do use an in-house movement, at least when it looks this crappy and comes with a five-figure MSRP:

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image source: tonny b on iwc.com/forum

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But my first impression of the IWC was that it was probably some kind of mall watch, while the Lange appeared to be something special at the first glance.



Based on the pic posted? Really?





I mean come on. Maybe in person but no way you could telling me the watch looks special based on that pic especially at a glance. :lol:


Again I admit the A Lange is far more superior in every way and 9.9 times out of 10 I'll take the A Lange (though I believe Portofino cost about 1/6th of the price of Lange?) but that pic is a terrible representation of the watch.
 
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Ah, I should have clarified. I was talking about seeing the two watches (PF and auto-Sax) in person being worn by people I know, not anything based on the manufacturer's photos.

Haven't seen the above-pictured dual time model in person, though.
 

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Based on the pic posted? Really?
I mean come on. Maybe in person but no way you could telling me the watch looks special based on that pic especially at a glance. :lol:


Again I admit the A Lange is far more superior in every way and 9.9 times out of 10 I'll take the A Lange (though I believe Portofino cost about 1/6th of the price of Lange?) but that pic is a terrible representation of the watch.


The Lange studio pics look "plasticky" compared to real-life photos. I suppose my impression of the new 38.5mm Dual Time came from seeing the older model in the metal, where it looked much more like this:

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I suppose I do see the design similarities with the Portofino, though the Patek Dual Time or JLC Master Hometime were what first came to mind because of the dial layout.
 
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IWC isn't headed in the right direction as of now. 1/6th the price of Lange or not, I wouldn't consider it money particularly well-spent. It's a shame.

I have seen and worn both, and while there certainly are aspects that are similar (like the round case), even a cursory review of the two reveals a world of difference in precision of both execution and design.

I'm no watch snob, and I love the gamut from Seiko to Patek, but I still rend to agree that there's not much of a comparison between the two beyond "at a glance".
 

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Man, no one said the IWC is a bargain at 1/6th of the price, point was that no one should expect it to be on the same level with that price difference when the discussion started mentioning every little detail including movements and finishes.

I mean seriously, ya'll acting like I just said Lange is an Invicta by saying I thought it looked like the Portofino not to mention the Lange pic posted is ****.

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All I said based on that crappy pic was...


Reminds me of the Portofino.



Granted it wasn't even a knock on it because I like the Portofino.

Sorry if that offended anyone and I apologize for not zooming in on the pics or enlarging it 1000% and staring at it for a few minutes and looking up hundreds of pics on google to discern every little detail on the watch that makes it different.


Next time post a great pic like this so there is no mistaking it.

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I can easily see how the Lange could be remindful of the Portofino.

On the subject of date window placement: There are more than a few ALS models whose date placement I've found wanting. I can't tell you how many times I've tried on the Datograph only to take it off and hand it back, shaking my head.
 

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Man, no one said the IWC is a bargain at 1/6th of the price, point was that no one should expect it to be on the same level with that price difference when the discussion started mentioning every little detail including movements and finishes.
I mean seriously, ya'll acting like I just said Lange is an Invicta by saying I thought it looked like the Portofino not to mention the Lange pic posted is ****.

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All I said based on that crappy pic was...
Granted it wasn't even a knock on it because I like the Portofino.

Sorry if that offended anyone and I apologize for not zooming in on the pics or enlarging it 1000% and staring at it for a few minutes and looking up hundreds of pics on google to discern every little detail on the watch that makes it different.


Next time post a great pic like this so there is no mistaking it.

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I hear ya, and of course they look pretty bloody similar. Definitely no offence taken — although I could see Lange being slightly miffed at the comparison despite being owned by the same evil luxury conglomerate. :p

Also, a bit of banter can be an entertaining break from the typical "I have trouble choosing a strap on my own" fare that passes for watch discussion on most forums.

All I was saying is that at first glance "in the wild" (apologies for using that cliché), the Lange looked the business while the IWC looked a bit dumpy, and that was well before I was able to ID them and have my anti-Portofino racism take effect. ;)

[...]On the subject of date window placement: There are more than a few ALS models whose date placement I've found wanting. I can't tell you how many times I've tried on the Datograph only to take it off and hand it back, shaking my head.


Yes, although I love the Datograph (including the date arrangement) I can understand how one could have issues with that design decision.

What I'm talking about is that thing where the date cutout clearly shows that a company just slapped some generic movement in a bulky case and called it a day. I wouldn't even call that a decision; it's just lazy watchmaking. I know it's common, but it still looks like crap to me every time. Many re-issues of historic watches are ruined in this manner — middling Swatch brands are especially prone to this.
 
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Low-baller that I am, I have nonetheless held and fondled many wondrous things in the horological realm. And few, if any, have felt as precious as a Lange. PP has the feel, too. And many have impressive finishing, or pleasing design. But the combination of visually-captivating movements, perfect precision and striking personality, is something in which Lange excel. Of course they're not all for everyone - by many standards, the likes of the Langematik, Datograph, even the 1815, are simply too detail-heavy and busy to be "proper" luxury dress watches. But each to his own. I could stare into that Datograph for hours, and probably have over a number of separate occasions despite never being close to owning one. Anyway, let's not pretend that this is anything but a complex emotional relationship, and whatever one's preferred measures of "good" in a watch, the heart will always rule.

Anyway, just wondering cf. IWC: it remains controversial, and I'm wondering where the TWAT mainstream currently draws the line for acceptable koppage? Of course, opinions will vary, but I'd like to pose this question to the hivemind:

The purchase of a current watch by which of the following makers, regardless of model, would lead to inevitable excommunication from the brotherhood of TWAT?

- Baume & Mercier
- Breitling
- Tag Heuer
- Hublot
- Perrelet
- Graham
- Eberhard
- Louis Erard
- DuBois et Fils
- [suggestions for other mainstream "luxury" makers that are firmly on the "no" list]
 
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Man, no one said the IWC is a bargain at 1/6th of the price, point was that no one should expect it to be on the same level with that price difference when the discussion started mentioning every little detail including movements and finishes.

I mean seriously, ya'll acting like I just said Lange is an Invicta by saying I thought it looked like the Portofino not to mention the Lange pic posted is ****.

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All I said based on that crappy pic was...
Granted it wasn't even a knock on it because I like the Portofino.

Sorry if that offended anyone and I apologize for not zooming in on the pics or enlarging it 1000% and staring at it for a few minutes and looking up hundreds of pics on google to discern every little detail on the watch that makes it different.


Next time post a great pic like this so there is no mistaking it.

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Dudes need to chill-out. ;) As the original poster of the crappy Lange pic, I'll come out and say that I wasn't offended by what RFX45 wrote and didn't take the Portofino comparison badly. I only posted the stock photo because I wasn't aware that Lange had released any "in the metal" shots of the new Dual Time; from the style of photography I take it you got your photos from Watchprosite? Will have to go over there and check out the reviews.
 
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Low-baller that I am, I have nonetheless held and fondled many wondrous things in the horological realm.  And few, if any, have felt as precious as a Lange.  PP has the feel, too.  And many have impressive finishing, or pleasing design.  But the combination of visually-captivating movements, perfect precision and striking personality, is something in which Lange excel.  Of course they're not all for everyone - by many standards, the likes of the Langematik, Datograph, even the 1815, are simply too detail-heavy and busy to be "proper" luxury dress watches. But each to his own.  I could stare into that Datograph for hours, and probably have over a number of separate occasions despite never being close to owning one.  Anyway, let's not pretend that this is anything but a complex emotional relationship, and whatever one's preferred measures of "good" in a watch, the heart will always rule.

Anyway, just wondering cf. IWC: it remains controversial, and I'm wondering where the TWAT mainstream currently draws the line for acceptable koppage?  Of course, opinions will vary, but I'd like to pose this question to the hivemind:

The purchase of a current watch by which of the following makers, regardless of model, would lead to inevitable excommunication from the brotherhood of TWAT?

- Baume & Mercier 
- Breitling
- Tag Heuer
- Hublot
- Perrelet
- Graham
- Eberhard
- Louis Erard
- DuBois et Fils
- [suggestions for other mainstream "luxury" makers that are firmly on the "no" list]

Ha, sweet.

Ball, Bell&Ross, Bremont and Bulgari (to name just a few other "B"s) are obviously on the "no" list, but that's not bad for a start. ;)

While we're on that letter, a note about Breitling: Although they have some real dogs, they're an independent company that's not too prone to biting (the Navitimer is an original as well as a legitimate chrono-design classic) and I respect that. I see their blingy/bulky models as being similar to much of AP's Offshore range; they pay the bills.
 
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