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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. tifosi

    tifosi Senior member

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    Nice choice, buddy! I hope this one sticks around for a while. ;)
     
  2. ShawnBC

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    Drool x 1000!
     
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    is that watch $140k?!?!?
     
  4. no frills

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    The Patek reference 3970 in yellow gold would be grossly overpriced if it cleared for USD140K. At those price levels you should be looking at a 3970 in platinum, like this one:

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    #Boom

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    @no frills - I think you mentioned it before that there are different series of the 3970. Were you looking for a particular series for this watch or just what your dealer could find?
     
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    I appreciate the difficulties of the complications but just too busy of a dial for me. Blashephy I know...
     
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    I wasn't very particular about the series - I actually quite liked the EP / third series because it automatically came with both a display back and a solid back; others are enamored with first or second series (different hands, etc) but depending on condition those might cost substantially more.
     
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    Although I certainly wouldn't mind owning a PP 3970 in platinum as seen above, this is simply way out of my price range for a watch (hell, even for a car).

    For 0,35% of that PP's retail price, I'd be much more inclined to buy the Sea-Gull M199S, that retails for around 500$. This way, I could save 139,500$ and enjoy an aesthetic that, although isn't comparable in terms of quality, certainly isn't that far in terms of looks!

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    #Limitedfunds

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    So much fun catching up with you Frills. As usual Mrs. Dino & I had a great afternoon. So glad we got to meet up again!

    Yea, my 10 year old Sub looks pretty good for its age. I do wear my watches a lot, but I have good reflexes and maybe sonar (Daredevil [​IMG]), so my watches tend to avoid doors , people with lots of jewelry and other hazards that tend to scratch & ding watches! Cheers!
     
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    Me me me me me me me me me me. Sigh. "Tall man" syndrome.

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    Huh?
     
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    That's pretty amazing. Seriously. That 16610LV looks brand new.
     
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    Some of us--the true horologists--knew exactly where you were. I hope you saw the Harrison chronometers while you were on the south bank of the Thames--simply stunning. If you're still in London and in need of recommendations for fantastic restaurants/pubs, let me know.
     
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    It's certainly a stretch. I've been fortunate to be able to own (and hold) some of these (and the 3970s were "born" and "announced" right here on TWAT several years ago) - but I think the more important part of the experience is just appreciating the aesthetics, mechanics, history, value and everything else that's wrapped up in owning a timepiece, price aside.

    That's why we gush over a variety of pieces here in good old TWAT! [​IMG]

    @mimo will disagree with me on this, but I have a fun time chatting up my brother-in-law on how he feels about his USD80 G-Shock every other weekend when we see each other. Why does it bring you joy? Why does it occupy that piece of wrist real estate? Why not an Apple Watch?
     
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    ^ +1 Frilly.

    I live vicariously through TWAT to a large degree. My Submariner is the limit to which I can go (and I'm very happy with it), but that's what TWAT is here for ;)
     
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    Make no mistake - having limited funds/an upper price limit and being conscious of the price of a given timepiece doesn't make me less of a watch aficionados. Ok, maybe not as much as some of you guys in this thread, but I still lust over the horological importance of some pieces, movements (although I'm still in the beginning of my learning curve, as one might say).

    More than aesthetics, mechanics, history and price value, I feel there is a sentimental value that we could add to the list - some of my watches are certainly not "collector's items" or don't get praised by connoisseurs, but they each have a story behind them - once was my college graduation gift and first "Swiss-made" watch, an other was a watch my parents gifted me and although it's not a watch I would've bought for myself, I'd certainly never consider flipping it or trading it in, because of it's gift nature. An other was an engagement gift from my wife, etc.

    All in all, yes, I believe price is an unavoidable factor about a watch, especially when buying, but it's certainly not everything that's important in loving a watch! As you said, a 80$ G-Shock can have the same effect on the right people than a 140,000$ Patek; it only depends on what you're after!

    Hope I don't pass off as defensive, it wasn't my intent.

    Edit: regarding the Sea-Gull M199S, I agree it doesn't match the 3970 by any mean. I wasn't directly comparing the 2 (you know what they say - comparing apple to oranges). I was simply implying that for 500$ USD, you get a pretty nice mechanical chrono that's more on the dressy side instead of the sportier side. The share a certain aesthetic to some extent, but I'm convinced the M199S have it's own qualities in itself even if it's not written 'Swiss made' on the dial and possess a movement of important horological importance!

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    I took note of the even in even for a car. To me, it actually makes much more sense to spend more money on a watch than a car. I seem to recall having discussed this in TWAT before, but I'll revisit.

    I assume this is in part due to where I live in the world, cars are slapped with heavy taxes, costing about 3 times the US price. Watches cost about the same as elsewhere. Buying a car in stead of a Patek will get you a pretty sweet luxury ride in the US, while me only a rather nice Audi. Better to get a nice watch and a boring but sensible cheap car. Did I mention the gas prices? :D Then there is the added bonus of knowing that the nice car will be nails and scrap metal in 30 years, while the nice watch will (presumably) appreciate and still tick for the next generation (cue Patek commercial ...). I suppose this comparison would not be applicable if the car was a classic sports car perhaps.
     
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    Yes, with most modern cars everything you mentioned above is accurate, particularly if its a country with big taxes on imported cars and cars with engines over 2 liters. Also, there are issues such as insurance, storage, and service, all of which tend to be significantly less costly for say a collection of 4 nice watches vs 4 nice cars. Also, parking can be a major problem in some cities, so public transit or an inexpensive car may make a lot more sense.

    However, yes these issues all change once you get to exotic sports cars of say the 1980s and earlier, classic cars, or air cooled Porsche 911s and 930 Turbos, as the markets for these have all gone up drastically during the last 2 to 3 years. These generally are no longer daily drivers so the cost of fuel is less of an issue, there is specialty insurance (that reduce annual premiums), and sometimes with less use maintenance costs can be more tolerable in some years.

    Much like fine watches- there is an element of vintage sports cars/classic cars being a form of art work in terms of beauty and details, there is an element of appreciating the amount of hand workmanship (something one doesn't really see on modern cars), and rather than the audible ticking of a watch one gets the roar of an engine.

    A major difference is the watch is also better for someone who wishes to be more discreet, as the sleeve of a dress shirt generally keeps a fine watch out of the view of most people. A car is out there for everyone to see unless its kept in a garage and never driven. The one area where the car differs or may even have an advantage is it is a bit like having your own amusement park ride that can be enjoyed in on nice winding roads over looking amazing scenery. Enjoying both can be great for some people, but I have several friends who are devoted to just one of these two hobbies for many of the reasons mentioned.
     
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