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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. JohnsNotHere

    JohnsNotHere Senior member

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    Thanks you all the replies... busy part of the forum this one


    Thanks Dino... I research any (for me) significant purchases so have a fairly decent knowledge of the history of the speedy pro and associated movements (cal 321 -> cal 861 -> 1861) plus move to coaxial for DSOTM, '57 nod, and others. Also learnt a lot about other watches... of which you have my grail the Royal Oak jumbo.

    The 3570.50 was the watch for me (and may still be), as I like the looks of the hesalite and it's the closest modern version to the moonwatch of years ago. The replacement release does throw in a small conundrum as I wouldn't be adverse to buying lightly used meaning the 3750.50 could still be the one. I guess when the time comes I can shop around and look at the new model and make a call on f the bracelet and extras are worth the extra cost to me (and if I prefer the aesthetics of the new bracelet).
     
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  2. Dino944

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    You are very welcome and thank you for the kind words about the RO Jumbo. Wishing you lots of luck with your decision. Cheers!
     
  3. no frills

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    Ahem.

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  4. Betelgeuse

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    Well Dónde Frilly, well done. :lol:
     
  5. d4nimal

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    Bremont's decisions regarding design are not really under scrutiny. Some people are saying "what's the big deal? It was a smart move to work with LJP." That's fine. It just misses the point entirely. What is being justifiably criticized is that they say verbatim that the movement was "designed and developed in Britain." That's straight from their webpage. The stance now has been amended to include "both in the UK and with our long term movement partner, Le Joux Perret, in Switzerland." Both of those are direct quotes from them and the second flies in the face of the first. For someone to argue that they have been up-front with that fact would be insanity.

    There is a lot of gray area when it comes to what manufacturing burden qualifies as an in-house movement. However, it is an altogether much clearer distinction between absolute truth or lie when you tell someone you wrote a novel, and later it comes out that a friend of yours also published that same novel with different character names and a a couple of different minor plot points.

    To top it all off, when someone says "Hey I already read that novel, I have valid concerns about the origins of the concept and design" you release a statement accusing people of trying to sabotage your work and threatening legal action. You also then admit you did work with someone else, but go on about how this book was a huge leap in progression towards writing a complete novel by yourself. That is admittedly a rough analogy. The point is the concept of creative process and design. The "big deal" is claiming a creative process as entirely yours and then marketing it as such when it is clearly not. And it is clearly not. They already said so themselves. People saying they technically may not be incorrect are the same sort of intellectuals debating what Bill Clinton considered as "sexual relations" with that woman.

    No matter what is said next week in their official statement, it does not change the facts about what already occurred, which are:
    1) Bremont releases the watch to press saying it is an in-house movement "designed and developed in Britain."
    2) The movement is discovered to closely resemble an existing LJP movement.
    3) Bremont responds with a defensive statement that it was also in partnership with LJP and part of the design was done in Switzerland. They also mention legal action.

    These are compounding mistakes, in my opinion. In a watch society that prizes design history and technical prowess so dearly, it also seems more emotive of betrayal of trust than likely it would be in other industries. We celebrate brands like Nomos, etc. when they make they make the huge leap forward to make in-house movements. It cheapens their (and really any in-house brand) accomplishments to just stand by and be mute to someone who claims to have done the same and has not.

    What Bremont will likely do next week is what Tag Heuer did when it was discovered that they had not designed the 1887 "100% in-house," and claim evolution of pre-existing platform. That is not the same thing.
     
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    I am going on the record as saying, I don't care. Wright Brothers or not, that watch doesn't excite me enough for the 16,000 GBP. I just checked out their website and none of their stuff really excites me.

    d4nimal - The sexual relations comment elicited a smile from me.
     
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  7. mimo

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    This "in house" business is interesting. I agree it's dishonest, but I feel every so slightly for Bremont as they seem to have been caught out so comprehensively while others seem to be accepted as "in house" when they're little more than iterative changes to old designs. Even Nomos's movements are based on a pre-existing design, aren't they? Still, they are adding new elements of their own more and more, so fair play.

    @Belligero has made dark references to this sort of thing before - dishonest descriptions of supply chains, movement origins, etc. I'd like to hear more.

    In the mean time, talking of things that cost a controversial amount of money, I was hosted this evening by some friends, and my often impressively wrist-attired "uncle", was wearing this:

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    I will not forget that I thought this was silly when I saw the pics two years ago: baby blue dial, brown bezel...solid platinum sports watch? Haha, I thought. And then I kept dreaming about it (literally) like the Eye of Sauron. And now I've met it in person, yes, it wins. Especially on my wrist as pictured! Although I'd still take a Datograph for the money, Dino-approved or not. Now there is an in house movement...
     
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    Perhaps I'm totally ignorant of something, but design aspects notwithstanding, how much more difficult can it be to manufacture movements if you're going to make such elaborate casework and modifications to stock movements? Especially now, with distributed fabrication technologies?
     
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    P.S. In-house movement designed and manufactured by us.*

    *(We chose blue for the screws, and put some cloth and our name on the rotor. Fucking WHAT?)



    Read my lips: I did not have sex with that woman.**

    **(She just sucked my cock a little bit, but that was purely therapeutic.)
     
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    The Alpha is based on the Peseux 7001 with different bridges and plates, but manufactured "in-house" (not purchased and modified, but built from the ground up). The rest are truly "in-house" I believe.
     
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  11. Wes Bourne

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    With the recent talk of boring fonts and box and papers, this might me a good time to post my latest acquisition:

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    Again, courtesy of the awesome e-uncle from whom I had acquired my first TWAT-worthy piece less than a year ago.

    @Kaplan : I owe you some thanks too since it was your thread that turned me on to this watch in the first place. I also remember your subsequent post about how yours might possibly be the last Mark XV ever made.
     
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    give it to me then plz. kthnxbai. :)
     
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    It's been a while...

    Fitbit needs to be more discrete.
     
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    Gaz, nice to see you back, hope you stick around.



    Congrats on the acquisition Wes and I'm glad to hear I was helpful in making up your mind. If you like yours as much as I like mine, it's gonna be a keeper :)



    Just for fun, and to make you feel good about your new watch, I located a few owners comments on their Mark XV over the last decade:

    'the Mark XV is as close to the "perfect" watch for me, and it holds its own against my 3 Rolexes and Cousteau Diver' - D, 2004

    'A superb alternative to the usual (Rolex) and quite possibly the perfect watch.' - B, 2006

    'The Mark XV is a perfect watch in every way. I know of no other watch that is perfect like this. ' - E, 2008

    'I too like the mark XV's (the last IWC marks with the proper hands :wink: ) A pretty near perfect watch if such a thing exists' - N, 2011

    'Nice watch, yo' - Kaplan, 2014

    Disclaimer: Though these are genuine, that was mostly tongue in cheek, as I know you can probably find someone somewhere saying antything is perfect if you look for it, but I do think that for those that get the Mark XV it does seem like they *really* get it :)


    Btw, I recently got a brown Camille Fournet strap for mine, but I think it's a bit too light and I like yours better. Do you know where it's from?
     
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    Strap is from a Mark XV Spitfire LE.
    Like one of these.
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  17. Wes Bourne

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    I didn't know the Mark XV was available with so many different stock strap options:

    3253 pilot's watch Mark XV 19 - 16 mm alligator dull brown IWA12701
    3253 pilot's watch Mark XV 19 - 16 mm alligator dull black IWA12707
    3253 pilot's watch Mark XV 19 - 16 mm buffalo brown IWA05613
    3253 pilot's watch Mark XV 19 - 16 mm buffalo black IWA05510
    3253 pilot's watch Mark XV 19 - 16 mm buffalo dull brown IWA12704
    3253 pilot's watch Mark XV 19 - 16 mm buffalo dull black IWA12698
    3253 pilot's watch Mark XV 19 - 18 mm buffalo black IWA05336
     
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    I thought the black buffalo was the only strap option for the Mark XV (it was in my 2003/4 catalogue). Where to get those other ones?
     
  19. Wes Bourne

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    I thought so too, until I found that info on the IWC forum. Dunno if it's accurate though.

    I might try a custom Short length strap from TWB.

    It's also been suggested that I can just squeeze any stock 20mm Short strap into the 19mm lugs.
     
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    v nice.



    now lets see some pics of that PP 5124. :)
     
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