Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.
Ask and ye shall receive...
Thanks to everyone who suggested some great wedding thank you gifts for my dad. I really appreciate everyone's thoughtfulness.
So I narrowed down my choices and they are at pretty different price points, so I wanted to get folks' thoughts before I make the final call.
1) Tudor Black Bay on a strap for $3300. My cousin would be bringing this from Greece for me and if my dad didn't like it, he would be stuck. I tried it on a year ago and liked it but wasn't in love.
2) IWC Mark XVII on a strap for $4K from our usual AD. Option to return it if he wasn't a fan -- I wouldn't mind if he did as I want him to love it. Late entry, but I always liked this watch. I find the 3 date window interesting and attractive, even though I know it is useless. Ha.
3) And if I wanted to go crazy and splurge and my dad deserves it for everything he has done for me. Either an Rolex Explorer II (white dial) or Milgauss (green crystal) for $7K. He is a Rolex guy and would like them I think. And both are sufficiently idiosyncratic, which I am a fan of.
I am leaning towards the IWC on the strap largely because of the price differential. It also is not like anything else my dad has and he already has a couple Rolexes (the last version of the yachtmaster and a gold and steel submariner). We own a restaurant and it seems like something could take some abuse in the kitchen and the like. That being said the Rolexes are wearing me down.
Sorry for the long winded stream of consciousness post but if you guys have any immediate reactions, would love to hear them. Thanks.
It's really just a difference of opinion here, while people appreciate that mechanical watches as one of the most complicated and expensive jewellery a man can wear, it serves an important function of telling the time, and in the discussion here, the date.
The fact our calendar has 30/31/28/29 days, and with 99% of watch date display on a disc, it's physically impossible to engineer a cost effective design that can cater for that, and there are the a lot more expensive annual and perpetual calenders which Stitchy pointed out, and let me point out even perpetual calenders, when a watch is stopped, all indications have to be newly set and if over shoot happens, the owner will have to wait for the movement to stop before resetting again. Would you classify this as bad engineering?
Like the simple display of hours, minutes and seconds, the date is a display of something that is useful to the user. I guess my tolerance of changing the date display 5 times a year is not asking for much, and we all accept that a mechanical watch has its limitations on accuracy and displays, and I find the fact a watch can be 5 min faster or slower after a few months of wear with no adjustment a lot more troublesome than the fact I have change the date.
With the date, it's more of an assurance device to make sure I have the right date and the assurance is always with me when I need it, and I am not always in front of a computer.
If we can all live with all that, we should give the date display some approval.
CHRK33 - of those options i like the milgauss.
Cheers Stitchy, but you don't sleep much! Too much time on SF!
1) The Black Bay is polarizing - some love the striking colour combinations (me) - others definitely don't dig it at all. If you don't know where your Dad stands, I'd pass on that one.
2) A safe choice and a lovely pilots watch. I don't find that IWC's ETA / Sellita-powered watches present a compelling value equation (i.e., you can get comparable aesthetics and overall quality for a good deal less elsewhere). Then again, it's a gift, so value for money isn't likely going to impact how well it is received.
3) He's a Rolex man. He owns several for a reason - he likes the brand and likes the product. If you can swing it, this would be the way to go.
Milgauss gets my vote!
The Milgauss gets my vote as well.
Fabulous, very nice indeed.
CHRK33 - I would skip the Tudor. Nice watch, but not being able to return it if he isn't in love with it would be an issue for me. Not to mention, I know a few older guys that own Rolex watches, and right or wrong...they look at a Tudor as a half a Rolex. Not sure if that's how your Dad would feel about it, and I'm sure he would be happy you got him something, but if he is really a Rolex guy this might not be the best choice. I'd either go with something that is not Rolex related at all or a Rolex.
I like the idea of the IWC, whether as Roger suggest there is value in it, using a ETA or Sellita movement is something only you can decide. However, its a nice gift and stays within your budget, and you never know what unexpected expenses newly weds will encounter.
If considering an Explorer 2 or a Milgauss for someone working in a restaurant, I say go for the Milgauss. The Ex2 can handle the same abuse, but the few guy I know that have owned restaurants really bang the hell out of their watches. When the Milgauss goes in for service they will be able to easily polish and clean up the entire watch, including the smooth bezel. The Ex2's engraved and brushed finish bezel, will get a ton of scratches in a kitchen, possibly dinged, and there is nothing that can really be done to fix it short of replacing the actual bezel. For someone that isn't too rough with their watches an Ex2 would be a fine choice...as an occasional scratch isn't going to matter. But the stuff that happens in a busy restaurant or kitchen would make me choose the Milgauss.
Well said Wurger!
Agree with RP and Dino here. I think the Tudor is nice, but as a Rolex guy especially, there's the threat that Tudor is seen as the bargain Rolex (right or wrong...). Coupled with the fact that it'd be difficult/impossible to return and the risk seems too great here IMO.
The IWC is a handsome watch, and I'm sure would make a wonderful gift. At a VERY generous discount it becomes appealing. As others have said, not the best value..
A Milgauss would be an amazing gift. Make sure it's within your budget (I know it's a gift for dad but still..), and make sure he won't miss the date..
While the politically correct thing to say is that the thought matters the most.
But knowing your Dad is a Rolex person, for a very good reason I also suspect, would the Tutor or IWC get much wrist time?
What I am trying to say, and of course if budget allows, would the reason for your dad to wear the watch:
1. wears the watch because his caring son got it for him
2. loves the watch and also his caring son got it for him
Wearing this one today.
^^^Very nice. Love the splash of colour.
Of course. I agree that this is just a matter of opinion and we have different values so different things bother us in different ways. I am certainly not suggesting that you stop using the day counter as a proxy for a date function if that is useful to you. I just don't like the idea that a wheel that can only keep blindly counting to 31 is considered a date function when the actual function would require it to variably count to 28, 30 and 31 in normal usage. To me, it is a kind of a cheap engineering patch for a problem that is more complicated. Others could see it as a simple, cost-efficient, elegant solution that get the job done most of the time in a way that is simple for users to correct. That is fine with me. I just wanted to explain why it bugs me and I don't want them on my watches if I can avoid it. But it's not like I want them banned or think others should avoid them.
Now, it is true that I would like to see them called day counters, since that is what they are, rather than date functions, which they really aren't. But I don't expect that will happen.
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