The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. Dino944

    Dino944 Senior member

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    Personally, I think its more of a styling choice. In the end many very expensive dress watches from Patek, Lange, VC, etc that use pushers that are flush with the case, so I don't know that its a real cost issue, as they have no need to cut corners, particularly if one considers their pricing.
    Spot on Frills! [​IMG]

    Even at a good price for the Double Red Sea-Dweller, no box and papers would be a deal breaker for me. I just could not do it. If I am spending that amount of money for one, then I'd probably be willing to put in more money and buy one that's mint with B&P.

    I think one can own several perpetual calendars and/or perpetual calendar chronographs, and if there is a enough variety in terms of design, case metal, and movement one can enjoy them without feeling they are redundant. However, something as basic as a Calatrava, is going to be unnecessary, or redundant when the 3940, 5040, a 3970s, do everything that a Calatrava does and more. I would not feel regret over using the Calatravas to take some of the edge off of a more complicated piece. To me that makes sense.

    The 5205 is an interesting design, I like the pierced lugs, but overall I don't love it. If going for something with windows for date, date, etc...I prefer some of the more classic designs one might see using windows for day and date on vintage PP perpetual calendars from say the 1940s and 1950s. Also, as you have pointed out the price difference between some of the annual calendars and mint condition with box & papers real perpetuals isn't that far off. I would DEFINITELY, spend the extra and get a real perpetual calendar. Sure its a lot of money, but as my Mom used to say, "Its never the last hundred, its the first thousand." Meaning once you are that far into it, don't hold back just because its a bit more. Granted in the $2K-5K isn't a few hundred, but in the grand scheme of things when you are talking roughly $40+K its really not that much.


    Beautiful JLC!
     


  2. in stitches

    in stitches Kung Joo Moderator

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    frills - IF i was a mad baller, id look into getting that plat 5711 just because, but as a non baller, id happily have the SS and feel just as good. but, at present, neither is happening. :(
     


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    I like JLCs a lot, but I can't say that I love the above watch. Aside from it being an AC, I generally don't care for a centrally mounted hand pointing to the date around the outer edge of the dial. VC has done this in the past and I didn't like it from them either. I think if they changed the date on the above JLC, I might like it more...but then again still an AC [​IMG]

    Symmetricize ? ... lets just call that a Stitch-ism. I think if you bought a Datejust without a date...it wouldn't be very Datejusty...look at that I made a word too! [​IMG] I like symmetry, but I can also like asymmetry if done correctly...Lange 1, Cartier Tank Asymetrique, or VC 1972 from 2000-2006, or Patek's old 5015.
    I think if we took the that pic and photoshopped it so his arms were green, it would look like the Incredible Hulk busting out of that shirt!
    Interesting photo opp comparing the 5711/A1 and the 5711/1P. I noticed immediately the difference in dial color. I think the brighter blue makes the Platinum version look a little more sporty. I find the dial on the all steel more interesting as it transitions from blue to gray. I think it also gives it a bit more versatility in terms of wearing it dressy or casual clothing. I would find the heft of an all platinum Nautilus very cool...however at that kind of money...I'd go with a 3970 or other complicated Patek. Still very interesting to see photos of them side by side.
     


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    in stitches Kung Joo Moderator

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    welp, on this one all i can says is, as the legendary ron burgundy said, [​IMG]
    agree 100% to all that. and nice job on the new word!
    to quote another visual... [​IMG]
     


  5. rnguy001

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    repost for extreme awesomeness

     


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    The odds of my next watch being a Rolex just went up. In the metal, this thing rocks the house. I just wish it came with the same cool glidelock adjustable bracelet as the Sub C.

    [​IMG]
     


  8. in stitches

    in stitches Kung Joo Moderator

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    frills - do not want. well, ok, id take and flip.

    roger - now youre talking. man o man i want that. i fell even more in love with it when i tried it on.
     
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  9. Dino944

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    [​IMG] That's a hot watch! I haven't been into a Rolex dealer in a while, so I've yet to see one in person. If I get a chance I may pop into an AD to see if I can get a look at one. The Breitling chronograph you posted the other day was quite nice...but I'd rather have the blue/black GMT...just my 2 cents.
     


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    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I know I am an outlier and most people don't share my dislike for simple date indicators. I certainly don't expect to convince anyone, though I know I am right!!! But just in case I wasn't clear - it really bugs me that the simple date function is, BY DESIGN, wrong half the months of the year. I know collectors don't really care since most don't have autowinders running constantly so must constantly reset their watches frequently for reasons other than the only-semi-functional date mechanism. But to my mind, a functional watch should be one which you can set once and forget about. It should not lose or gain a meaningful amount of time and you should be able to ignore it, other than servicing it every x years. If it gains or loses too much time, that is considered either out of spec or else a design flaw and one that the maker tries to improve upon. It would annoy you if you constantly had to fix the time because it was inaccurate. Likewise, it should bother you that the date is inaccurate and especially that it is inaccurate on purpose. To me, this is just bad engineering; if you can't make it work properly, leave it out. But something that is broken on purpose feels like a splinter in my brain. On those watches I have with a date function, I simply never set it and try to pretend it isn't there.

    But I know no one else really cares.
     
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    Yup! I made the mistake of trying one on a couple of days ago. Beautiful piece but I think it would make a great second watch
     


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    #symmetricize4life

    Also with you on that pointer date on the JLC...nice execution IMO.....indeed, a rare disagreement with Dino. Horses for courses.
     


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    I agree with you 100%. The concept irritates me, but I still own (or have owned) some watches with date features.
     


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    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    This is the gospel.

    Henceforth, simple date functions will be described correctly. It is not a date function. It is a new complication called a Day Counter, and most, by convention happen to go to 31 days. If you want to use them to keep track of the date for a few days, great, though it gets wonky towards the end of some months. if you want to keep track of how many days your wife or SO (or you) has been in shark week, great - they are good for that, too. Set it when your kid runs away from home so you know when five days are up and you can inform the police - an excellent use. Just don't call the Day Counter a date function, because it isn't.
     


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    i think you are asking a lot from a mechanical item. its not the watch makers fault that we have a retarded calendar.

    the facts as i see it are two fold.

    1. making a mechanical watch to fully account for all the changes in the calendar year and cycle is both difficult and costly. it can be done, but its not cheap. that is pretty much fact as far as i know.

    2. a date on a watch is a very useful thing for many people, myself included. many people need to check the date throughout the day, and having it displayed on your wrist is the quickest and easiest way to make sure you have it right.

    that being the case, i think that it is more than reasonable for a watch maker to use a date on their watch, so that its wearer can take advantage of that function, and they should do their best to incorporate said date in a way that is as aesthetically pleasing as possible.

    if one can afford an AC or better yet a PC, that is great. but most cant, and that should not preclude them from having a date on their watch. a watch maker using a simple date function in this way gives a person the opportunity to have the date at the ready, and not break the bank. if that means that 5 times a year you spend 10 seconds changing the date, i think that really is a small penance. and is in no way bad engineering. its utilitarian and economical engineering imo.


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