For some reason I can't multi quote at the moment. LOLing...(better hope Dino shows up) . Thanks...I couldn't help but chuckle a bit. I agree 100% regarding size. I would have to try something on that size to be sure I would be happy with it. IMHO the AP movement is the better of the 2 movements. But others who have a strong PP bias might disagree. If the PP were an ultra thin auto, with as storied a history as cal 2020 (and its variations) it might level the playing field a bit more than just having PP's cache.