Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.
Awesome! Any planned time frame?
I'm thinking of buying my dad a watch for his birthday and after doing some minor research online, have narrowed the search down to an AP Royal Oak and a PP Calatrava. I'm somewhat stuck in a predicament, as I can't seem to choose between the two (I know next to nothing about watches but have heard that PP and AP make quality products). Any advice/suggestions regarding which would be more suitable for a 55-year old Asian male would be greatly appreciated.
LOL.. ya Stitchy because you are so super Azn!
Dad...you finally learned how to use a computer?
Sports watch? Dress watch? Must be yellow gold? In that general neighborhood (budget wise), you have a lot of options.
Option 2 in White Gold
Stitch - Bjorn Jorg Gray?
these guesses are awesome. i expected it to be a dead give-away, but these answers are amazing. never realized how many potential answers there could be.
all will be told at high noon today. or thereabouts.
nice IWC, elisiX!
Both are great brands. I think you need to consider your dad's lifestyle. A RO Chronograph is a chunkier sport watch, the Calatrava a relatively thin dressy piece. Does he go to lots of dress events, or is he more of a sports watch kind of guy? The Patek uses its own movement, which is very nicely finished, however I would never choose that particular watch case. There are other Calatrava case styles that are more sturdy, where the lugs are more integrated and a solid part of the case. The case you have shown, the lugs are just soldered on, and I've seen the same watch come back to an AD (so it can go to a because an owner accidentally hit the watch against a door frame and he broke the lug off from the case). I'm sure they just soldered it back on (either at the AD or if it went back to a Patek service center), but still that would annoy me to have a case with lugs so delicate that they can be broken off so easily. In fact, the salesman said for that reason alone, he usually tries to persuade people to choose a different model of Calatrava.
Also, the RO that you have shown a photo of, I believe is out of production. You can find pre-owned models without any difficulty, but the new model that replaced it is a bit larger and chunkier at 41mm. The movement in the RO Chronograph is beautifully finished to AP's standards, but they do not make it completely in house themselves. It is based on the F.Piguet 1185, which is also used by Vacheron Constantin, Breguet, and a few others. Still its generally used only by a few top watch brands. Not sure if you are considering new, pre-owned, only gold, or also steel. If you are considering a RO and it does not have to be a chronograph, perhaps consider their iconic RO 15202. They are available in steel or rose gold if you want a new one, or also yellow gold if you choose pre-owned. They use movement 2121 which is famous for being at one point the thinnest automatic movement, and for also being the only movement ever used by "The Big Three" (Patek, AP, and Vacheron). Its a very versatile piece, sporty enough to wear casually, but dressy enough to wear with a suit.
Both companies have made and continue to make great watches. There are many options depending on if you choose new or pre-owned. You just have to figure out what will be best for your dad. Good luck and let us know what you decide.
I'm with you, Nomos movement, very similar cases, Bauhaus-like design (same style subdial even)... I'll give you that the second hand is very stylish but all in all I'll take the Nomos any day.
excellent points, dino. as always.
the RO 15202 in rose gold is gorgeous. great suggestion.
Boom! So excited! Less than two hours before the grand reveal!
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