Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.
^^that ivory dial is gorgeous with the rose gold.
Thanks for the tip, Dino, which brings me to an interesting question that ties these two subjects together: not-too-big classy chrono with iconic shape. Twelve grand buys you the new IWC (if you're an idiot, I think we've established), a new Daytona, or a used-but-immaculate this:
P.S. That is not my number.
id take the AP. as much as i loved my daytonas....that AP has some real balls. stunning watch with pedigree. Kinda like comparing an aston to a jaguar.
Daytonas rightfully deserve the respect and adoration they're given, I have several friends and family members who own them and they are truly nice watches. However, for some reason they don't sing to me at all, so call me an idiot but I'd much prefer to lay down my money on a watch that I would love (such as the IWC), and I would even take this AP chrono over the Daytona, which is saying a lot because I don't really love the AP RO line (again, fantastic watches, just not my cup of tea) As all have said, to each his own - no right or wrong choice here, and I'm sure I'm in the vast minority of SF'ers on this one.
nice of you to get another watch for the mrs, frillster. one of my fave non all steel dayona is the white gold with a meteorite dial:
I guess I mean the homogenization of design as well. But yes, you are correct, Richemont is going to respond to the beck and call of the customers. But whereas a PP Calatrava aesthetically looks similar to its predecessors, despite its increase in size, this new Tank is going very far away from what I view as a Tank.
The public needs to get with the program!
You know it does not look like a tank anymore when Mimo likes it
if/when i get an RO, i would want one of the simple 3 hand models.
thats my first choice as well. but if youre comparing chronos...id still take the AP over the daytona. And i LOVE daytonas...im a longtime rolex fanboii.
I think that a Rolex Daytona and an AP fill a similar niche in a collection though. For example, anytime you can wear a AP RO, you can wear a Daytona. I view the RO, Daytona, and Nautilus as filling a similar role in a persons collection.
Oh yeah, and some dirty, dirty watch pron:
On a related note--Frills, do you see a difference in quality of finishing between your "base" Patek and your complicated Pateks?
I like the RO Chronograph a lot. It was a serious contender before the 2012 15202 Jumbo was released. I think a new Daytona vs. a pre-owned 39mm RO chrono poses and interesting dilemma. Both are great watches. One has to way a few considerations. Movements, you are getting a revised F.Piguet 1185 in the RO (also used in VC, Breguets, BPs, and some Cartiers). Great movement, each company finishes it to its own standards, I know AP and VC use gold rotors, although its a solid case back so you won't be able to view it. The Daytona uses in house cal 4130, and has a considerably longer power reserve.
Whether a buyer is tough on watches might be a consideration. The Daytona is more rugged, with a deeper WR rating 100m rather than 50, and its case and bracelet generally hide scratches and dings better than a RO. The RO's crisp angles really don't hide scratches or dings maybe as well as the rounded surfaces of the Daytona's case and bracelet (although the Daytona's polished center links and lugs will show lots of scratches). In addition, if you really use the chronograph function, the screw down pushers are easier to grip to screw or unscrew on the Daytona. The octagonal screw down pushers look cool but are tough to grip and turn.
If I were buying one chronograph to do everything and it might get banged around or spend a lot of time in water, I'd go with the Daytona. If I were just wearing it to work and at a desk, then maybe I'd go with the RO Chrono. Just my 2 cents.
Take my opinion with a grain of salt, as I haven't been a fan of Daytonas on straps in a long time (I owned one in WG several years ago). To me, Daytonas always look better on a bracelet, I feel it looks incomplete without it. Also the WG and RG on a strap models have center sections that prevent you from adding a bracelet if you/she changes here mind.
I only kept mine for about 6 months, found I was wearing my Daytonas on bracelets far more often and sold it. Also, I needed a short strap from Rolex for it. It was a PITA getting them to send one to the AD so that I could wear it. Not sure if they have gotten better about it, but getting a standard black croc strap for it took 2+ months. When a friend was buying a Patek at the same AD and he needed a shorter strap, Patek over-nighted a shorter strap to the AD.
The ceramic bezel, doesn't appeal to me on this model. I might have liked it more of it had metal trim around it and was a tad thinner like on the old manual wind Daytonas. I find the bezel a bit clunky compared to the older ones. Also, although ceramic is scratch proof, I did see a story on a Rolex forum where someone with either a relatively new GMT or Sub dropped it and the ceramic bezel broke apart. Not sure how tough your wife is on watches...as we know from photos, ceramic can break and shatter while SS or Gold scratches or dents.
I am generally a fan of Daytonas...but I personally would never buy another Daytona on a strap. But if the Mrs. loves it...go for it.
^^ another excellent post, dino. very well said. ^^
love those pics, newcommer.
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, that would be a tough call for me. would have to think a while on that.
no spoiling for this. holy balls those are sexy.
Yeah - Oliver always posts some great pics via PuristS. But that's the least you should expect if the PuristS mods get privileged access to Patek pieces!
The finishing in my more complicated Pateks are otherworldly - but then they are also more complicated, with more nooks and crannies in which to employ the use of depth, different coloring, etc. This would be both on the dial side (3970s just have more subdials and detail than, say, a Calatrava or Nautilus 5711) or for movements (the manual winding CH 27-70 with its lack of rotor also lends itself to more to lovely viewing, and it has far more parts than, say, a cal 215 for a 5119 or a cal 324 for a 5711). So it's hard to compare.
I'd say that the complicated Pateks provide more of an opportunity to show off detailed, magnificent finishing. Unsure if Patek really scrimps on finishing for the "base" models, but there's only so much you can do on a relatively simple, flat Calatrava dial. What's good about Oliver's post (and the pictures you shared here) is that it compares the 5550 and the 5140, which should be more or less similar - except Patek just provides more detailing and better finishing for the 5550 (and prices it accordingly!).
These are, as always, excellent points. I will have the missus try different pieces on and see what she likes. Otherwise, Brooklyn Decker's choice ain't so bad.
Stitchy - that WG meteorite is really lovely. I will also have to have her check it out. She's a fan of "quirky" non-traditional dials and that might do the trick for her.
Thanks man . Agreed very difficult choice!
Yes, and no. You can wear a RO or Nautilus to anything you could wear a Daytona to. And while I think you can wear a Daytona with a suit, I think the RO and Nautilus are more versatile and look a bit dressier when paired with a suit.
Just stunning!!! I've heard there are slight differences, although in my viewing of their time only movements and their more complicated movements, I've never noticed big differences. But really, for what they charge these days for a Calatrava they really don't have any excuse to deviate drastically from the quality of finish on their more "Basic Pateks."
Spot on again and the SS Daytona was my grail watch for several years!
I think the only way I might change my vote is if its a vintage manual wind Daytona.
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