The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. no frills

    no frills Senior member

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    Have I mentioned recently how much I enjoy coming home at the end of a busy day and reading the exchanges in this thread? Always something new to learn.

    Noticing these Patek ads more acutely recently, and starting to get annoyed at the persistent father/son and mother/daughter theme. I get the whole tradition thing and of course the point of heirlooms makes more sense if it's across generations for the same gender, but why the heck not something like this? Heh heh.

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    Somewhat off-topic: Newcomer, bar-exam-reviewer-par-excellence, I must say I love your new avatar / profile picture.

    Hope everyone is having a grand weekend.
     


  2. mimo

    mimo Pernicious Enabler

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    (Frilly - nice work!)

    I like the Duometre, and I don't think I can argue with the comparison, especially as used prices in rose gold are about the same - both about $27k used.

    Just one thing, though: the Panograph also comes in platinum with a black face for $16-17k used. Given its inherent weirdness, I think it looks better like this. And is about 40% cheaper. Now that, in my mind, rather turns the tables. In rose gold, the JLC definitely wins hands down. But the platinum Panograph for a fraction of the price? Well, I like it anyway!

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  3. Newcomer

    Newcomer Senior member

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    I am digging the edited Patek advertisement. I think that a cross-over is certainly in order! But heck, if you are in need of a son to adopt to pass on your watches, I will gladly step in. I am about that age where I should be receiving my first Nautilus.

    And I figured you would appreciate the new avatar. Everyone knows that Kate Upton is the TWAT mascot.
     


  4. mimo

    mimo Pernicious Enabler

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    Haha...Son of Frilly. [​IMG]





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    mimo Pernicious Enabler

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    By the way, talking of backsides, and going back to the uber-chrono discussion: the booty - VC Les Historiques Chrono, PP 5070, and AL Datograph Auf/Ab.

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    Now I do set a lot of store by the quality of the rear. And on this score at least, I think I have to stick by the Lange for both depth and exoticism in the booty department - just my type. And like Beyonce, there's a lot to be said for a unique movement. :)
     
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  6. Dino944

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    Meant to say that is really a great watch, and a great value too, although, I do think the rectangular model someone posted here not too long ago was really spectacular.
    +1 on Newcomer's new avatar!

    As for watch ads, yes I think they could do a cross generational thing. Maybe they are concerned that girls would not be as interested in their products, it might not suit they their style and appearance, and some might sell them to buy things they would rather own, or if its a big ticket model, it might pay off a good chunk of a mortgage (although a son who isn't into watches could do that too).

    In any event, I've grown tired of Patek's theme of passing it from one generation to another (we all get it, but for me its run its course). I do think someone on another forum had a rather entertaining re-wording of their slogan a few years ago. It was something to the effect of "You never actually own a Patek Philippe. You merely pay for Henry Stern's future generations."
    As for uniqueness of movement (and possibly beauty of movement) the vote definitely goes to Lange. What you may notice if you look closely at the movements of the Patek and VC or check the specs, is that they share the same Lemania base (as does the 3970 for its chronograph function). Although, Patek made more modifications to the base in their 5070 than VC did for their Historique (VC continues to use that movement, Patek does not). I also believe a few high end such as Breguet and AP used the same base (in the past)...hence you could see it in a few other top quality models from Swiss brands.
     
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  7. Newcomer

    Newcomer Senior member

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    Also, in a very related discussion, check out this write-up on TPP Mimo if you are interested:

    http://indepth.watchprosite.com/show-nblog.post/ti-475461/

    I really love the lugs on the VC :drool:

    I have to say, although the Patek ad is getting a little long in the tooth, it does have a fairly interesting message. And I feel like their advertisements are geared towards people who are unfamiliar with the brand. People who are going to buy a Patek are going to buy one without regard to their advertising campaign. It feels like Patek is just trying to reel new people in. I have to say... I am glad that my parents never gifted me a Patek. There is no way it would have made it, I hate to say.
     


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    Thank you Scott, Dino and Newcomer.

    Indulge me briefly while I address one of the most universally (if you'll pardon the pun) MIS-used terms in horology: Tri-Compax.

    99.9% of the planet misperceive the "Tri" as a reference to the Triple registers in classic 3-6-9 orientation. That's not what it means at all.

    "Compax" all by itself denotes that layout in UG terminology. See - it's right there on the dial of my 3-register watch above the 6 o'clock register. Compax, not Tri-Compax:

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    So where does Tri-Compax come from? Well, from the Triple-Date Moonphase version of the Compax chronograph. See, it's right there on the dial above the 6 o'clock register:

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    So - UG Compax Chronograph = 3 registers laid out at 3-6-9.

    UG Tri-Compax Chronograph = the above, plus a triple date and moonphase complications.
     


  9. mimo

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    Newcomer: you're glad you weren't gifted a Patek, but want your adopted father Frilly to..er...gift you a Patek?! Thanks for the link - it's where I took the VC "rear" picture from, above. But I'd not read the article until you linked it. I do rather like the salmon dial, although it doesn't always appeal. Coincidentally, the only other salmon I saw that I liked was the Breguet XX he showed for comparison.

    There's a funny thing about black dials - although the article you linked to says the black version is rare, it's the one I keep seeing for sale, whereas I don't see the silver one. Rather like the black-and-platinum GO Panograph above, even though it's a limited edition and discontinued, it's the one that seems to be easiest to get, and cheapest. I guess people aren't digging platinum cases and black dials. Fine by me, maybe one day I'll have them!


    Roger: that is a beauty, and thank you for some serious nerd-ucation!
     
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    another voat for the lange backside, of those 3.

    dino - i too am tired of the PP ad campaign.
     


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    Mimo: I meant I am glad I was not gifted a Patek at 18, like some of those ads seem to suggest. If I was given a $20,000-$30,000 watch my first year of college, I doubt that it would have made it through those years... Now I am much more mature :D
     


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    And Roger, thank you for that interesting little lesson. To be honest, I never knew where the compax thing came from! Very cool.
     


  13. mimo

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    Newy, I get you now. So it's probably time for Papa Frilly to sort out that "coming of age" gift, then?

    By the way, in the great battle of the baller chronos, I feel I've rather missed out the Duometre Chrono (the Duometre moon discussion reminded me). In platinum nearly-new for about $55k. Now that's very pretty I think, and also has a most interesting behind.

    But yeah, I'm still with Lange for the booty. And VC for the value.
     
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    +1 to Dino's comments as always har har har. I love the Henri Stern's future generations line. Funny factoid about the history of Patek, according to Stacy Perman's recently published book: when the company ran their business by catering almost exclusively to producing pieces for private collectors like James Ward Packard and Henry Graves, they put themselves largely vulnerable to the economic downturn during the Great Depression. Too specialized, too limited production, one movement per piece produced (hey, how's that for uniqueness of movement?). When they ran into trouble that's when the Sterns snapped them up, and the Stern family has steered that ship ever since, for good or for ill. Do we really want Patek's pieces to be the exclusive domain of multibillionaires? Even today their pieces are largely out of reach for the majority of the population, but compared to pre-1929 it was even less "democratized.'

    I mean, how could we whine about their rising prices if we couldn't even aspire to grabbing 'em? Heh heh.

    I will give mimo props for the animated GIF he posted. But for overall "twerking" prowess and for introducing me to the unique loveliness of backsides I must give the crown to Queen B:

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  15. rnguy001

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    Another home run man. Thanks for the education - did not know that about the subdials!
     


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