The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. RogerP

    RogerP Senior member

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    Congrats Kai - that is a truly exceptional piece. Good camera work stitchy - nice and sharp - and what a beauty!
     


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    thanks for the kind words, fellas!

    mimo, what was your misunderstanding?

    to me there are 3 components to this.

    1. resale

    2. people like have them because they are neat

    3. assurance that you have the real deal (though sometimes you can still get shafted, and on the other hand, if you know your stuff cold, you dont need box and papers to know if what you are holding is legit.)

    each component is more is less important to each person. just a matter of personal preference, once all things are considered imo.
     
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    Must*. For papers at least. Not for boxes. By papers I do not just mean the purchase receipt, but also service receipts if available.

    I find that the B&P watches often tend to be better maintained overall and in better condition as the owners who tend to keep B&P also to be kinder to their watches. I've found that the owners who throw their B&P away tend to be noobs in general who do bad things to their watches and are blase about upkeep. You also get a genuine idea how long ago the watch was sold (as opposed to made) instead of having to muck about with serial numbers, which is error prone at best. Minor miscellaneous reassuring things with papers include the reassurance that your watch is neither grey market nor stolen. Having the papers dating the watch definitively helps you sort out the real deals from the frankens as well.

    *: of course this is all relative to rarity and age. The older the watch the less the importance IMO. If I found a big crown Rolex Sub or Zenith 156D in great condition which checked out without B&P and at a good price, I would pull the trigger, no questions asked. But a Lange 1, a PP 2499, or a IWC 3705? Nope, I would need papers at least.
     
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    aight! here goes. this watch is one of the most beautiful pieces out there, imho.

    i went kinda nuts with the picture taking. this is but a sampling. :embar:

    click for bigger!!

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    Nice pictures Stitches.


    Fabulous, simply fabulous looking watch.
     
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    thanks, ddd! :cheers:
     


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    I feel your pain!
    One of the last IWC designs that I really like (even with its Val 7750 movement).

    Langmatik is nice but doesn't do much for me, as is the Datograph (although I have never cared for its mix of romans, sticks, and Arabics on the dial). To me, the Lange 1 is their most distinctive and beautiful line of watches. I can understand your issue regarding its aysemmetry, yet I think there is room for a great asymmetric piece in any collection. To me there are so many beautiful examples of symetric watches, and after having owned several symetric pieces, I find I gravitate toward asymmetric designs. I love pieces that are elegant and yet use asymmetry to make a design more whimsical or allow a brand to show its creative side.

    I love the Patek 5015 and Lange 1 specifically for their asymmetic dials. As the bulk of Patek's production are/have been lovely but plain Calatravas, I found the dial of the 5015 really a welcome change from what are at times too predictable from them. I also love how others such as Cartier, Vacheron, AP and Patek have also used asymmetric cases to add some variety to their lines of time only watches.

    I didn't always love asymmetric designs, so maybe its an acquired taste. Keep an open mind and you may surprise yourself some day with a watch that has an asymmetric dial or case.
    You can get archive papers from some brands, which can serve to authenticate a watch, however for me it would go beyond that. I could never buy a watch that does not have box and papers unless maybe it was a very special piece from say the 1960s or older. Anything newer than that and I'd have to have box and papers. I realize you don't wear the box and papers, but I feel like anything less and my watch ownership experience is incomplete.

    Others have already touched on resale value. Although, people say they are never going to sell watch X, sometimes things change and you may eventually need to or want to sell watch X.

    I would also caution you that if you are new to fine watches do your homework, particularly if going with a 2nd hand watch. There are people that sometimes modify a watch to make it resemble a rarer model so they can charge more. In addition, a redial or relumed watch is generally going to be worth less than a watch with original dial and lum that has lost its glow.

    I would never rush into purchasing something 2nd hand. If you have time constraints, go with a new watch and you will not need to worry about the dial or whether it has all the boxes and papers.
     


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    Congrats Kai !!! That's a beauty! I hope you get many years of good use and enjoyment from it. Also, nice job Stitchy, on finding it.
     


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    +1 Well said !
     


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    mimo Pernicious Enabler

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    Oh I quite agree. I just somehow find the Lange 1, in its simplest form, so deliberately asymmetric it feels...contrived. There are others I like a lot that have struggled to accommodate an odd range of subdial sizes and shapes, for instance, that have a beautiful asymmetric jumble to them. Some that spring to mind are the Reverso Septantieme above (versus the symmetry of the calendar that follows), the Breguet Classique Complication perpetual calendar, and another JLC that I find delightfully lop-sided and simple - the Master Home Time. I'm sure there are hundreds, but those are just a couple that I've seen and been drawn too in recent weeks.

    So I get it. But I think it's the addition of this muddle of text and colour that makes the asymmetry of the Lange 1 truly make sense. Anyway, seems we're all agreed that it's a beauty, whatever our reasoning! My ambition now is to be rich enough to hire Stitchy the Watch Pimp, to find me pretty things. In the mean time, I'm enjoying the vicarious living in this thread every day of the week!
     


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    im at the ready. :slayer:
     


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    Nice Pogue, Kai. I'm looking for a chronostop now
     


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    I think the original Lange 1 while beautiful can be a bit stark...so I can see that you might find it too deliberate or contrived. I think some added color really does quite a bit for a Lange 1. My favorite version is the Lange 1 moonphase. The moonphase just completes that watch for me, and I think it has something to do with the addition of some color to the dial.

    The Reverso Septantiem (and its more common sibling the manual wind Reverso Sun/Moon) and the Master Home Time have been some of my favorite offerings from JLC. There is hope for you yet...[​IMG]

    No doubt, Stitchy will have you covered when you are ready to pull the trigger on something special !
     


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    very well said Dino....this is EXACTLY what i was thinking and trying to figure out how to put into words...so..ill just say ditto. ;)
     


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    eat poop, luzar.
     


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    Based on a simple Unitas but nicely executed if a bit eccentric.
     


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