The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. rnguy001

    rnguy001 Senior member

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    You're talking about the 7-day Auto? Some people also mean the Port Chrono (also automatic).

    I think the GO is amazing and wouldn't trade it for the chrono. The 7-day is also special, and I think different enough from your Vintage Inge and I can see a trade more likely there.

    Tough call



     
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    looks great, keith.
     
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    working as usual this weekend.. At least I have ol' faithful here to keep me company [​IMG]
     
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    That is an interesting question. I supppose it raises the issue are we speaking solely of products that are "authentic" vs homage vs. fake...or just companies borrowing ideas of other companies and incorporating them for their own watches. I do place a value on originality, hence homage watches do not interest me at all. I have already stated several reasons I don't like fake watches a few pages back. If I am looking within a class of watches, as long as they are very close in finish, the overall finish would not matter to me. As for price as a factor, if I can't afford something that I admire, I'll either save up for it or I'll admire from a distance. A less expensive look alike does not interest me. I am not sure what other factors come into play besides cost vs originality. Quality, I tend to think most high end brands have enough DNA and history to come up with their own designs rather than borrow from others...although back in the 1930s when several companies depended on similar sources for movements or cases you tended to end up with somewhat more similar designs say between Gruen and Rolex.

    Perhaps an explanation of what I like about certain watches or brands might explain the value I place on originality.
    I have always wanted at least one watch from each brand that interests me, and I suppose I often seek out is something iconic from these brand/s. Rolex created the GMT Master in 1954. Lots of companies have released similar designs over the years, but the only 2 that ever interested me and which I owned were the GMT Master and the Explorer 2 (which for many years was essentially an evolution/variation of the GMT Master). I never saw a need to consider something beyond the original. The design for the manual wind Cartier Tank has been around since 1917. Many companies have sold and made rectangular watches over the years, but IMHO, the Cartier Tank is an iconic design that is simple, elegant, and is the original. Not to mention in the version I have its doesn't merely use a round movement in a rectangular case (which is commonly done and less expensive to do because you can use that movement in lots of other watches), but it has a rectangular movement. When it came to purchasing a steel luxury sports watch, I looked at various great brands, but kept coming back to AP. The RO (often a love it or hate it design) started that genre of watches...so it was not just an original within its brand it was the original that led to the production of the PP Nautilus, VC 222, IWC Ing SL Jumbo, the GP Laureato, Chopard St. Mortiz etc. Even within the brand, I decided if I only ever get one AP it has to be the RO 15202 (current generation of the Jumbo...which is the closest thing to what they originally produced in 1972). These were all ground breaking designs, often imitated, sometimes copied...but each has also become a timeless classic. Sure they have evolved, but each has been in production in some form or other for decades and looks as good today as it did when new.

    I would note that although I like iconic designs, I like there to be something original about them. Hence, one watch that I really do not have much interest in is Patek's Calatrava. There is no denying its an iconic piece, and that its been around for decades, but there is nothing really ground breaking or unique about its simple time only watches. If I'm ever fortunate enough to purchase a Patek, I might go with something other than a Calatrava.

    Even a feature like a grand date, I only like on a Lange or JLC, as JLC developed it for use by Lange and Lange was the first to use it in a watch. I don't care for the copy cat usuage of it on a VC, Cartier, Breitling or other brands. Further, Cartier and Patek have each made "reversing" watches in the past. However, if I were to get a watch with a reversible carriage for the dial/movement it would be the JLC Reverso....another original. I've seen Omega make a Speedmaster that has the dial markings and colors of a Rolex "Exotic dial/Paul Newman Dial" Daytona. To me the Speedy Pro is a great watch in its own right so to build a Speedy that looks like a coveted Rolex makes little sense to me. A top condition PN Dial Daytona is out or my price range. I've seen them and handled them and they are beautiful. But I have no desire to own an Omega with Rolex PN Daytona inspired appearnace just to have the look of a watch that I like but I can't afford. I would simply get a classic Speedy Pro.

    Hope this helps answer your question.

    Again I recognize and have recognized in the past, that the GO Pano is high quality and a good value, however I would not be satisfied with look a like. Thats just me. Hope that helps answer your question.
    Best regards,
    Dino
     
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    yes. when it comes to watches, dino is the man.
     
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    Taking a bit (or a lot) of time to learn and understand the history, evolution, lead up, reasons, conflicts, controversy, breakthroughs, etc behind various watch marques (and certain iconic watches) is one of the more esoteric pleasures that comes with the hobby.

    That said, the time spent rewards you with a deeper appreciation of these little mechanical marvels and the interesting people or companies behind them.

    Like most other great hobbies - fine wines, boutique beers, single malt whiskeys, art, women - you get out what you put into it. And then some more. :slayer:


    I am about 89.56% sure that the cases for the reversing watches made by Cartier (not 100% sure, and this is not the Basculante) and Patek (100% sure) were actually supplied by JLC! :nodding:

    I think Vacheron Constantin also used JLC cases for their own reversing watches at one point, and I'm pretty sure (77.83%) that JLC successfully sued Hamilton to get them to stop making a Reverso copycat!
     
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    And for the record, 77.4 88.2% of all statistics are made up on the spot. :D
     
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    Is anyone able to help answer my question? Am I able to detach this link from the clasp as shown in these poor photos? (close ups are hard to photograph)

    I think the answer is no, but basically, I'd like to be able to remove the clasp from the metal band so that I can switch it between a leather band as well.

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    Thanks guys! [​IMG]
     
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    Yes, JLC has supplied parts and movements to many top brands. I don't think I've seen a reversing VC, or maybe its not coming to mind at the moment. I'll have to check some of my VC reference matterials. However, my point in bringing up reversible watches was that even though there have been other brands that have made them, I'd rather have one from JLC.
     
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