Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.
Some more porn - today I'm wearing my Oris Chrono - it's a limited edition Chronoris Grand Prix 1970, and displays bold 70's style without apology. Definitely more of a "busy" watch, but still reasonably legible. Abd I like having a little colour in the rotation. Damned hard to photograph, though.
Looks like they took out the glass for the stock pic, because of the same problem! Anyway, it;s cool.
Thanks, its 33mm. 5mm thick including the domed acrylic crystal.
So who else had to sync their whole hoard today?
Very cool. I have to find my Oris as I stashed it somewhere but can't seem to remember where!
What I don't get is why we'd even be discussing them in a watch appreciation thread. Wow, someone copied a design and put their own logo on it. What am I supposed to say — "good work, that must have taken some real talent"?
I understand your point.
But when you think about it there are literally zillions of non-homage watches out there that are affordable and genuinely interesting - so why do people still go for homages? The elephant in the room is the borrowed prestige of the original watch.
That Kingston which RogerP likes was 1100 GBP - which is well into the territory inhabited by interesting companies like Fortis, Oris, Baume et Mercier, Damasko, Stowa, etc. If you went vintage you could pick up a spectacular Omega Constellation "pie pan" or Universal Geneve Bicompax for that price, and have enough left over to service the watch too. Second hand non-vintage would get you a Nomos or maybe a Tudor.
So really... there is no excuse.
Homages offend me on an intellectual and aesthetic level. They're lazy unimaginative solutions released by lazy unimaginative companies eager to make a quick buck by standing on the shoulders of giants. The term "homage" itself is the basest form of PR triumph, pure marketing doublespeak.
The homage buyer pays for the privilege of an unregulated and completely unfinished or minimally finished ebauche in a cheap steel case that will be finished in a ho-hum way and without a shadow of doubt be a pale imitation of the original. I can guarantee you your homage company would have gone bust in 20 years because they are simply not there for the long haul and their business model depends mostly on the goodwill of cheapskates... who are a fickle bunch and will move on to the next homage company that sells the same thing or close enough for $30 less.
Given their very existence is a sort of common-sense defying anachronism when you really think about it, I don't believe in too many half measures when it comes to little luxuries like mechanical watches - and homages are a half measure too far for me, the "Gacci", "Chenel" or "Luis Vuitton" bags of the watch world. Would you let your wife carry one of those?
I guess there are those homage lovers who will call me a watch snob, but I'm happy to be one if it means that I am passionate about something actually worth preserving, something with deep roots in tradition and skill... unlike the homage anti-snob who too often is happy to hoist the banner of faux egalitarianism. Just drop by any of the homage forums... you'll see what I mean.
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Hey, I just got back from FL, and saw the good news. Congrats and enjoy it. Its a beauty!
Congrats on a great find! In addition to the dial color I really like that the hour markers for the 3, 6, and 9 are a different size from the others. Great choice.
Classic! Very impressive to find one with the original box, hang tag, and buckle. Enjoy it!
Sorry for being late to the party, I had intended on responding to you, but never got around to it this weekend.
I was in a similar position as you a few years ago (although not in the context of a wedding), and was thinking that either a Damasko or a Sinn would be a good first 'real' watch choice. I ended up picking a Damasko DC56:
I kept it in my stable for a few months, before realizing that it was not quite for me. I plan on picking another one up in the future, but it is a difficult watch to have as a "one watch." Just a few things you may want to note before picking it up:
The hardened case is awesome;
The whole watch seems well made, including the printed dial;
It is one hell of a tough watch;
It is pretty much the perfect tool watch.
It is the epitome of a tool watch--everything is bead blast, so no chamfering, no frou-frou details, very 'Germanic'--so it can be a bit cold feeling, not much to look at;
The printed dial gets a bit boring; this is about the most sleep inducing watch EVER;
Some of the cases are pretty high--and with a lack of detailing, look slab sided;
Cases are thick, cannot wear watch under sleeve.
I kind of realized that I am not much of an "extreme toolwatch" kind of guy. This is not like the IWC Mark XV and such, which are pilot watches, but feature some stylized elements. And also recognize that you will not be wearing this kind of watch to a wedding!
Do not get me wrong, I loved my Damasko, and will probably get one some point soon, but it is not the most exciting watch out there!
I appreciate your reply - clearly a very well thought out and rational explanation. It's obvious you have a great appreciation for watches and we actually probably agree way more than we disagree.
For the record I'm not a fan per se of homages. I would also personally rather buy something authentic and true to its own manufacture rather than having a copy of another model. In fact, I've always convinced a particular friend to not buy homages or fakes and save up for the real thing because I know in the end he will otherwise regret his purchase, but that's only because I know it's within his means and he does actually appreciate watch manufacturers in general. But he does have the means and the ability to appreciate certain brands. Many people do not.
Case in point, I too would rather look at Fortis, Oris and Damasko etc.. over a Kingston, but that's because I enjoy watches and know a little about them and take pride in knowing I have something original on my wrist that I've chosen. However there are many out there that want that Submariner or "X" look without the price tag. Heck, there are some that may even like the MKII aesthetic more than the Rolex branded orginal - who knows? Some have no interest in looking for alternatives either because they're not really into the whole watch culture, are too stubborn to give up on their aesthetic preference, or are just too damn lazy to look.. again who knows? Even though I wouldn't buy an Invicta diver, there are plenty of people out there who love em for what they are - a Rolex clone, without the Rolex tag. It's not my preference but that's not really what we're talking about..
I agree with you about these companies that really are just borrowing another brand's prestige, and we're talking about homages here and not fakes, I just feel there's something inherently wrong with the notion that if someone can't or won't afford a Submariner than they're wrong to buy a MKII or an Invicta. If it was so wrong, and I'm sure it's not for Rolex' lack of legal trying, these homages wouldn't be able to be procured legally as they are now. But that's another debate.
If luxury goods were restricted so consumers could only buy the "original", then think about this as it pertains to electronics alone - we'd have far fewer TV/Smartphone/computers from far fewer companies that have basically retread the same design in smaller and cheaper cases with cheaper parts etc.. By your theory, no one should be allowed to buy a Vizio when originally Vizio was blatantly copying Sony and Samsung's LCD and Plasma models (when Vizio first came out..), and everyone should thus be forced to have a Samsung or Sony, or live without an LCD..
I have no delusions - these homages are indeed cheaper copies of the real thing. Whether they're truly there to pay 'homage' or just cashing in is probably somewhere in between although again that's subject for another debate. The fact they exist for people to own a particular timepiece look if they so choose is fine with me. On the street I'll know that he's wearing a Panerai Homage and not the real thing, and so will he.
alright NOW I've feel like I've beaten this horse enough.
Newcomer - thanks for that candid take on the Damasko. Yes, it's all tool and no flash whatsoever. Of course, there are more than a few Sinn models that could be fairly described in those same terms. In the Damasko range, I am more drawn to the models with a white luminous dial and black printing.
RogerP and Newcomer - I have to agree with you guys. I had a SINN SDR, and while it should've pressed all the right buttons, in the end I sold it because I never quite warmed up to it. It worked well, was the right size, had a clean dial, and was tough as nails but just didn't have that spark for me. on a side note, I really like this one for a dressier option at a good price point.. (taken from watchbuys website)
Yep - Sinn does offer a more diverse range, as those two pics demonstrate.
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