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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. DLJr

    DLJr Senior member

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    The black/black, while I have been drawn to it, often can be mistaken for a sub at first glance and that bothers me. It's the reason a GMT has never been on my list for the long haul (black confused with the Sub; Pepsi, coke, root beer too loud for me; and blue/black is too much for what the watch is in my opinion). It's also the reason why the 16570 will likely be my next purchase (but white dial); kind of ties in to the whole Roger POV of watches, it's a Rolex that isn't immediately recognizable as a Rolex to the general public.

    Edit: Realize I didn't actually answer your question; Blue/Black because it separates itself from the sub at a glance.
     
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  2. jbarwick

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    Nuke - The Black/Black GMT did not speak to me so my initial interest was in the black-date-Sub until I saw the Black/Blue GMT from Basel. The green hand of the Black/Black is not enough contrast to read easily but I do like the new blue hand. Now if the new GMT was Black/Black with a blue hand I would have considered it.

    I cannot read TRF from where I am currently but hopefully someone pointed this out. Also if memory serves correctly, I think I may have looked at an EX2 for the added hour hand and contrast to the dial.
     
  3. RogerP

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    I'd take the Black/Blue GMT hnds down just on pure aesthetics - the bi-colour ceramic bezel is just too cool. But I'm probably not a buyer for this watch as I don't find the GMT complication particularly useful.
     
  4. no frills

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    Congratulations on the pickup! Looks great!
     
  5. Dino944

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    I agree with the above, I would just include that as stitch and others have mentioned, the difference in this case is also that GS isn't merely a small company hand making watches (which seems to be what people like to think of when it comes to small independent companies), rather this is a division of a huge company and a very well known company. Furthermore, Seiko is a brand that isn't immediately thought of a producer of luxury goods, its generally thought of as a producer of relatively inexpensive watches. That brand association is tough to get past.

    +1 agreed. While funding might be an issue for a small upstart, in a way its probably easier to create brand image and attract interest if a company is a small upstart and they can create the image they want. It takes time to get the word out, but a company like that can be upscale from the start.

    A company associated with inexpensive products will probably have a tough time shaking that image.
     
  6. wurger

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    such a great discussion, this watch thread sure have a great professional image mingled with half naked kate! :satisfied:
     
  7. in stitches

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    newC - blue/black no question.
     
  8. TheTukker

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    Really starting to like the black face Explorer II (not sure about red or orange hand). Am I on to something or have I just been staring at too many Tumblr pics? I am not even that much of a Rolex fan; would really love some views here; please don't hold back.

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  9. DLJr

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    You are on to something, but I'm not a fan of the new one on the wrist (nor do I like the hand or McQueen reference, just not for me, YMMV). I happen to prefer the white dial because I have enough black faced sport watches (but I really like both a lot). And, as I said above, part of the appeal for me is it's a bit less recognizable as far as rolex goes, so that may play well with you.
     
  10. apropos

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    In addition to the reasons listed above (branch of large company making cheap watches, etc) by others, I will add 2 more.

    Making a watch is obviously a much more complicated process than making a jacket. Two (skilled) people with a needle and an iron could order a roll of cloth off the interwebz and make a jacket. A watch, not so easy - which is why production is dominated by large corporations.

    The small watch ateliers who are able to bring everything in-house or close enough, their price ranges are out of reach for 99.9999% - there are far fewer people who can drop $160,000 for a Horological Machine than there are people who can stretch $7000 for a jacket made by Rubi.


    And that is my problem with GS - their designs. There are maybe one or two out of the many - and there are many GSs I have looked at in person and online - that I have thought to myself, "hmm, this is something unique and interesting". I mean, go browse the current GS lineup at the GS website here - you have lots of Datejust-esque models in all lineups, a few Spring Drives that remind me of TAGs, two truly terrible 4-hand monstrosities that resemble the Submariner, and oddly enough a couple that resemble Hamiltons Khakis. The chronographs look like something a 18 year old gets as his first "serious" watch, and every single Quartz model is either bland or a gussied up Datejust.

    Only one model appeals to me - SBGW047. Even despite the 4 lines of text on the dial having 4 different fonts. Which bright spark in the design department thought it really necessary to state "Seiko", "GS" and "Grand Seiko" on the same dial? Who is going to look at the watch, say "oh that's a Seiko", then "but wait, it's a GS? what does that mean???", and then "oh, Grand Seiko!"?????!!!

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    Add to that the value-suck with mall Seikos, the paucity of secondhand market demand and the consequent resale price hit, and GS is pretty much a no go for me.
     
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    +1

    For exactly that reason. My first Rolex was a GMT with black bezel. Great watch, but it became annoying when people would say (even in jewelry stores), nice Sub. For me, with a black bezel, the GMT lacks its own identity and lives in the shadow of its sibling, the Sub.

    So my vote would be for a blue/black GMT.

    Congrats! Looks great, enjoy it!

    Great post Nuke. I give you a lot of credit for coming clean and admitting that although you like the GS, something holds you back from buying it and you instead have chosen and Omega or JLCs. While some may fret about people being too brand conscious, or concerned about what others think, so what. In the end you are the one that has to wear the watch. I personally buy what I like. I don't care if its a brand that is recognized easily like Rolex, or something that is more obscure to the general public like a VC. While I think GS makes a high quality product, I've never had any interest in owning one. Not because of their quality, its simply in that price range, there are watches from other brands that I would rather own...like a JLC.

    This next part is in general an not specifically toward Nuke.
    I think something that should be recognized, is that wanting a well known brand name is not a bad thing, as long as the watch (or item) is good quality, you are happy with it, and you bought it for you (rather than to impress others). I like the terms brand whore, we all know people that are slaves to brands...but I think there are different types of brand whores. A brand whore can be someone that likes and buys big name brands, or someone that buys big names for recognition from others. If you bought it because you have always wanted a watch from brand A, or because you like the design, and you did it for your own enjoyment then who cares. If a person does it because they want others to be impressed then maybe they have issues as they seem to require the the approval of others. In the grand scheme of things only watch savvy people would notice watches like JLC, AP, VC, Patek etc. The "Average Joe" might know a Tag, an Omega, or Rolex, but that's about it. So when people choose a JLC over a GS, or a Patek over a gold Rolex can we really say they are a brand whore, just because they bought a big name brand in the watch world. To us they might be buying something well known, but that's not so with non-watch people. I've owned my VCs for years and never had a single comment about them, and my AP for over a year and it has only gotten a comment or two and that happened in a watch store. So you can still buy names that are big in the watch world, but which in general fly under the radar.

    I think avoiding certain brands and denying oneself ownership of a great watch because its a bigger brand name and not wanting to be labeled a brand whore, isn't very different than buying a watch specifically for brand recognition ...each is motivated by concern about others and what they will think.

    Yes and no. When Lexus first came to market, they offered a good quality product, but at a lesser price than MB and BMW. Their ES250 was nothing more than a dressed up Camry, but they offered a solid product and great customer service. In addition, their original LS400 was about the price of the entry level MB 300SE. It was far less expensive than MB's 420SEL, or the 560SEL flagship sedan of 1989/90. They also came in at a time when American cars were at an all time low for quality, and many people had turned to Japanese cars for reliable well made average transportation. There were very few options for people buying at a mid range price level to somewhat luxury oriented cars without spending serious money for an MB or BMW. Also, remember Caddy wasn't the hot seller they are today. So Honda came in with their Acura and did quite well, and opened a new market for Japanese cars. Also, note, they completely changed the names of the brand to sell in the USA. In Japan, Acuras even the sporty NSX, was branded Honda in the home market. Here brand perception was an issue and they created a new image. They got a foothold in a mid market range rather than uber luxury...only later did they move further upmarket with more expensive models. Also cars are a necessity for most people, and people that spend a lot of time in cars may splurge on a slightly more up market vehicle. Most people need watches, but I think fewer see a need to splurge on them...its a different arena compared to cars.

    But keep in mind breaking into luxury car markets, as someone already pointed out did not work for VW with the Phaeton. In addition, MB decided they wanted to move upscale and get a piece of Bentley and Roll Royce's action...that didn't work out well for MB. Their Maybach was a failure. MB is an established car maker, known for luxury products, but it just doesn't have cache necessary to compete at the next level. For that kind of money people wanted a Bentley or Rolls. They didn't want a more upscale MB.
     
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    Ding ding ding - good counterpoint. 10 points to Gryffindor. :slayer:
     
  13. in stitches

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    did anyone notice RGIII wearing a tudor on the cover of SI?
     
  14. Dino944

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    Its definitely a cool watch. Its very Rolex, but its a bit of the anti-Rolex in terms of recognition. I've had gotten an occasional comment about my LV Sub, or old GMT, but not a single comment about the Ex2. You get the oyster bracelet, oyster case, even the same basic dial as a Sub or GMT. However, something about the brushed finish bezel causes it to fly under the radar. I've had ref 16570 black dial red hand for 12 years and its been great. It was my daily wearer for 10 years. No problems. Its looks great with casual clothes and the brushed bezel gives it a slightly dressier look than a Sub or GMT, at leas when they were all 40mm (new orange hand Ex2s are 42mm and maybe a bit sportier with the big orange hand). While my first choice with a suit would be something dressier, the Ex2 will do just fine with a suit if need be (I never travel with more than 1 watch, so what ever I wear while traveling has to do it all).

    I do like the new/current Ex2 with orange hand, I'm just not sure its as versatile at least not for me. Either version of the Ex2 is a great watch. Good luck with whatever you decide.

    Just a few quick pix.
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  15. mimo

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    Introducing: The "Atelier Collection" by Cole Haan....starting at just $700 for a hand-welted, artisan-crafted shoe made from just the best 10% of our vegetable-tanned French calf hides...

    Now imagine all that is true and they're brilliant. And they look almost exactly like Edward Greens.

    Yep, that's the GS right there.
     
  16. Keith T

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    Lots going on here....love this corner of the web!


    Stitchy: I did see RG3 with that Tudor (GQ?). Nice placement job by them.


    Dino: nice pix of your Exp II...and once again your cufflink game is top-notch.

    I've already expressed my appreciation watch lust for the 42mm / orange hand / black dial.... and of course I need another sports watch like a hole in the head. Just can't stop thinking about that one.



    We may have beaten the Grand Seiko discussion within an inch of its life, and I'm sure this has been brought up at some point on other watch sites, but look at it this way: if there were such a thing as a Grand Tissot, or a Grand Bulova, would you give serious consideration buying one? I think for most US customers we know the answer, and again-- strictly from domestic market point of view, that remains their biggest issue. (If Seiko even thinks it's an issue....which is of course another partially-discussed tangent.)

    EDIT: Mimo may have aced me out with the Cole Haan thing above, since I doesn't type so goodly, but again we're probably here by now: :deadhorse:



    ~B~ : you should give serious consideration to Mimo's "offer". Dude makes a lot of sense.



    One of these days I will have to post a photo of the watch I get the most positive comments on....I don't think I've ever put one up, at least not on TWAT. (Hint: it's actually a quartz LOL).




    And for today, I'm wearing this old thing:

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  17. rnguy001

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    This is a fantastic watch. My brother just got it several months ago and seeing it up close made me appreciate Rolex as a brand in a whole new light. The bracelet in particular is divine. One of the few Rolexes I see myself owning anytime soon, but I like the white dial version personally



     
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    great pics, dino,

    keith - :fistbump:
     
  19. Keith T

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    Forget to mention on the ceramic GMT .... I STILL have not seen the blue-black in real life yet.

    Shame on me, but I guess that could also indicate that they are flying out the doors immediately.
     
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    Yeah someone pointed it out earlier. When I first got the issue I actually glanced over it quickly and thought he was wearing a Root Beer to match the 'Skins team colors



     
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