The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. appolyon

    appolyon Senior member

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    Yes the division is correct. And if you've seen a the balance of a watch oscillate, you would notice that it doesn't oscillates 100 times per second but rather 5 to 8 times. For example, an ETA 2824 movement beats at 28,800 bph

    Thanks, I think my confusion came from bph v bpm. The 360,000bph is very impressive, what is the advantage of such a movement, it is a better time keeper or is it more of a marketing thing?

    Would love to see a video of the movement if anyone has one.
     


  2. gdl203

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    Thanks, I think my confusion came from bph v bpm. The 360,000bph is very impressive, what is the advantage of such a movement, it is a better time keeper or is it more of a marketing thing?
    I think it's a bit of both. High bph doesn't ensure better time keeping but it allows for smaller increment of chronograph measurements. You can time a lap at the 1/100th of second while most sports chronographs give you 1/10th sec at best. That said, I doubt any serious sports event is timed with a mechanical stop watch any ways. Still an impressive technical achievement
     


  3. Coho

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    In theory, accuracy is enhanced but no scientific evidence for this. However, if you like the continuous sweeping timer seconds hand of a high beat movement, this one would blow your mind. However, since the seconds is in the subdial, I doubt that you can visually see the difference. The chronograph seconds though would sweep very smoothly and this would be where most of the joy of owning such a watch stems from. As for the lower resolution of the chronograph timer in terms of accuracy, I'd say human reaction time plays a greater role than a super fast BPH mechanical movement. If you are a fan of the El Primero, please join this site so we can have more members.

    There are also several negative elements which come into play with high beat movements and the articles in the link above address each one. However, you can easily draw a comparison between these movements and the engines that power the Diablo or the Veyron.

    About the specs

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    Caliber 360 with COSC-certification. Two sets of escapement mechanisms, allowing it to function at 28,800 bph in normal conditions, then accelerate to an amazing 360,000 bph in the chronograph mode. The movement has more than 230 components, a miniaturized hairspring and an escapement mechanism which has a diameter 26% smaller than a normal balance wheel. Case: 18kt rose gold, diameter 41mm, Crystal: Double AR coated sapphire crystals.. Water resistant to 50 meters. Dial: Chocolate brown guilloche with gold appliquÃ[​IMG] markers and hands. Hand-sewn alligator strap. Currently holds three worldwide patents:
    1. 1/100th of a second display on a mechanical wrist chronograph;
    2. Bi-directional crown and rewind system: the single crown controls the automatic watch and the mechanical chronograph, as well as the watch's hour and date setting. When turned counter-clockwise, it rewinds the automatic watch and when turned clockwise, it rewinds the manual chronograph;
    3. Transmission of the date from the bottom of the movement to the upper dial.
    Limited edition of 100 pieces.
     


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    I know a little about vintage Gruen; I'm sure others around here know more. What do you want to know?
     


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    im thinking about buying two from ebay...one is the curvex model and another is a verithin...how is the 15 jewel cal426 movement...im not even completely sure if that makes sense.. lol...any help would be appreciated...thanks!
     


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    It does make sense. I don't know about that specific movement, but Gruen was a company known for its quality movements. Try googling the 426 and see if anything comes up.

    But I just want to put in a word of caution. It sounds like you're fairly knew to vintage mechanical watches. If so, buying on eBay can be dicey. If there are lots of good photos of the movement showing it's clean*, if the buyer has very good feedback and seems to know what he/she is doing and specifically states that the watch is in good running condition (which is still a guarantee of nothing, but it's a start), and if the price doesn't get too high for comfort, you'll probably be okay.

    *One thing you can look for in these pics is the position of the escapement regulator, that little "fast" and "slow" lever: if it's all the way one way or the other, I'd stay clear as something might be very wrong.
     


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    That's a great buy, FC.



    That's sort of the point, no? Without the quirky designs and innovative use of materials, Rado would be just another short-lived mid range Swiss watchmakers (Mido, Titoni et al), I think.
    You probably know it already, but this forum is a great place for Rado-philes.


    Indeed, though I'm slightly surprised there is still a viable market for that kind of design--granted, it's something of an icon, but all in all, rather an eccentric design.

    Rado Porn, I think:

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  9. FidelCashflow

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    I'm considering the silver one as I don't like gold-toned items that aren't solid gold. I'm surprised that apparently Rado is still making this watch as indeed, it's a very dated design.

    It's strange how their line-up seems to be either the original DiaStar which is very dated (they love to brag about how it hasn't changed since the 70's.) Or their black ceramic watches which are a bit too futuristic for most people's tastes. There doesn't seem be be much of a middle-ground with them.

    I guess it's the one thing holding them back from being a big name in watches, but at the same time the only thing keeping their name alive.
     


  10. LabelKing

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    It's strange how their line-up seems to be either the original DiaStar which is very dated (they love to brag about how it hasn't changed since the 70's.) Or their black ceramic watches which are a bit too futuristic for most people's tastes. There doesn't seem be be much of a middle-ground with them. I guess it's the one thing holding them back from being a big name in watches, but at the same time the only thing keeping their name alive.
    Yes, it's sort of a one-horse--pun intended--company though I believe they are owned by Swatch Group. In the past, they also had a line of more conventional watches, which nonetheless had their own quirks--rather bizarre names like Purple Horse, Golden Horse, Captain Cook, and idiosyncratic design elements. I think their movements are superior quality modified ETAs, or at least they used to be; they also used A.Schild movements. They are quite affordable in the vintage market given the high quality. On a tangent, Audemars Piguet used to have a watch-shape that resembled the Diastar; Audemars produced some funky cases.
     


  11. GuidoWongolini

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    el guapo wongo, What's up with the yellow faced Mickey Rooney avatar. Your hero?

    -Moose


    Sort of, I have frames very similar & a fellow WAYWT poster found the pic.
     


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    el guapo wongo. I have been trying to work out which way up you are wearing the watch on which hand and am still not sure but something looks upside down. You Aussies!
     


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    el guapo wongo. I have been trying to work out which way up you are wearing the watch on which hand and am still not sure but something looks upside down. You Aussies!

    mmm, watch is right way up.. I just wear on my right wrist..

    Here's a shot from today in the car
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    Anyone know anything about Jaquet+Girard?

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    after a strap change:

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    The movement inside looks to be rose gold. Beautiful
     


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    Routine service on my Lange last summer cost me north of $2400, but that included shipping to and from Glashütte via Brinks.

    Still, kinda pricey.

    - B


    Which Lange?

    Jon.
     


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