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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. in stitches

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    i am not a ravens fan, lol. thanks though.
     


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    Thats exactly what i recommended but apparently the chopard is almost like half the price
     


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    I think your right! But lets see how long those increases stay stable ! Stich, just out of curiosity, how much are the 90's ss date- just, going for in your shop? Sorry I cant be specific I cant remember the exact model I had! I got a little over 1k for it on givawaybay (my brother's account) in 2005!
     


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    we have not had one of those in a while. closest was a TT DJ from the late 80s. we get mid to high 2s for them.
     


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    Alright, then maybe I didnt do too bad, thanks[​IMG]
     


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    Hi Johan,

    On some levels each of our perspectives are probably correct depending on where one is coming from and our experiences.

    1. I'm glad you enjoyed my rant on limited editions. I think limited editions can be good, if they are only produced occasionally and they actually honor someone or something of importance.

    2. I also have questioned Rolex's choice to head further into the $10,000+ price range. I think all watch prices have gotten crazy in recent years. I questioned if I was nuts spending what it cost to get an all steel RO. I love it and IMHO its one of the best watch purchases I've ever made. I have no regrets about it, but it was still a lot of money for a steel time only watch. Times change, markets change, and maybe they are going where they feel a broader a wealthier clientel exists. There are more millionaires and billionaires than ever before, and someone making six figures is not as unusual as it was 15-20 years ago. There is a very high end clothing store near me. They used to have moderate priced suits Huge Boss and Zenga soft for their younger buyers, and then Luciano Barbera, Oxxford, Kiton, Brioni and Isia for people with more money. In the early 90s their entry level suits were about $900 full retail, and better suits were$1,500-2,400. They decided entry level clients weren't worth it for them (I would have thought its better to groom buyers from a young age, start with Boss/Zenga Soft and as their careers develop along with incomes, they move them into Oxxford then Brioni etc). They decided to go up market where there may be fewer buyers but the buyers are less effected by swings in the economy and now their suits range from $3,000-6,500. In the end everything has gone up in price, cars, clothing, and watches. All watch companies have moved way up in price...Omega, Breitling, Rolex, Cartier, VC, AP, PP, Lange etc. $10,000 is a lot of money and a drop off point for many buyers, but its still far from the rarified range that new Pateks, Langes, APs, etc cost. Its not as if you can spend say $12K and get a new Patek. Right now $10-15K is a largely untapped market for a steel sports watch now that PP, AP, and VC are often close to $20K or considerably more. If Rolex doesn't go there other companies will. As for Omega going after the $4-8K range, that might push people to other brands also. A friend that always avoided Rolex in the past, instead buying Zeniths, Omegas, and Breitlings, finally gave in and bought a Rolex Explorer 2. His take on things was that with what Breitling and Omega are now charging for some products they are not the bargain they once were, and it helped him justfiy spending a bit more for a Rolex. His other revelation was he wished he had bought it sooner when t would have cost him less money. Whether going up market will work for Rolex we will have to wait and see.

    3. Yes city living versus being on a deserted island are two extremes. My point was that we may all adore the "Top of the line brands" but many are a bit delicate to be our only watch or to use if you have a very active lifestyle. As for lifestyles in the city or suburbs, no matter where one lives there are always people that are "Keeping up with the Jones" and people that have to "one up" the people around them. Not sure those people ever truly find happiness or satisfaction in anything. Everything they do or own is for show, rather than for themselves.

    I respect and understand that you don't care for Rolex. We all have likes and dislikes. However, I have to disagree with your final paragraph. You say "I'd personally be uncomfortable to wear a Rolex as I'm pretty sure that people around me would notice and draw undesirable inferences without a chance for me to respond." I've seen similar statements, made by other WIS. I find it interesting that WIS spend a great deal of time worrying about the impression that wearing any watch makes on others. Do you worry about the impression your car makes on others? Do you worry about the impression your suits make on others in the real world or here on SF? In reality, I find very few people in the real world care what watch you wear (most won't notice, much less comment on it, or judge you for it). I've owned a Rolex of some form or other for nearly 30 years, lived in big cities, small cities, and suburbs, and the number of comments outside of jewelry stores or watch functions regarding my Rolexes have been very few and far between. WIS are a very small segment of society, but they are often the biggest and only critics of the watches we wear. The friend I mentioned earlier, who gave in an bought an Explorer 2, works on Wall Street for a huge banking/investment company. He was concerned it would draw unwanted attention or comments, so in the beginning, he only wore it occasinally. After a few months he discovered, no one cared, no one noticed, and no one commented on it. He's had the watch now for 3 years and never had anything arise out of wearing a Rolex. It was a concern he conjured up that never happened.

    I work in very concervative field in an office where much as you described, people either don't wear watches or they wear a Casio Ironman. A few guys know I like watches because they have seen me on a watch site here or there, but no one asks about my watches, no one comments on them and they just don't care about them. Life is too short to worry if somone approves of your watch, car, house, suit, or anything else.

    As for saying "To wear a Rolex is to make the statement that you felt the need to spend [$5,000] for the same luxury experience desired by a McMansion-dwelling frat boy." I think that can be applied to anything. To wear a Patek Philippe is to say you felt the need to spend X amount for the same luxury experience desired by a gangster like Tony Sopprano. To wear a JLC is to say you felt the need to spend X for the same luxury experience desired by Leonardo DiCaprio . To drive a Mercedes Benz is to say you felt the need to spend X amount for the same luxury experience desired by Paris Hilton. With statements like that at what point can one buy something without worrying that someone is going to think that I bought something to try to experience some part of someone else's lifestyle? Again, IMHO life is to short to worry about other peoples' impressions of my purchases.

    Again thanks for some very thought provoking writing.
     
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    Out of these, I would choose the IWC.

    But the Chopard I really think is nice is this one: (from web)

    [​IMG]

     


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    i like these way better than the other chopard.
     
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    The Chopard LUC has the nicest movement of those three, but I'm not really crazy about any of them.
     


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    while i think its true that some people buy items just to show that they can, i think that assuming that about someones purchase, is unfair. people buy a great many things for a great many reasons, and assuming what that is is generally an error, imo.
     
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    My take on the spike in watch prices is the strong demand for luxury watches in Asia, particularly large, emerging economies like China, HK and Singapore with a burgeoning middle- and upper-class. For many in Asia, a Rolex is a critical status symbol. Any business person worth half their salt in Singapore, HK, etc. wouldn't be seen wearing anything less costly than a Rolex, one upmanship with ALS, PP, AP, VC, etc. denoting success of senior execs, etc.
     


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    There was an Asia only LE version of the navitimer called the navitimer 92, which was a very nice 38mm, they are cheap on the secondary market and easy to service as they use a valjoux 7750 ebauche, might be worth checking out.


    Chopard is better known as a jewelry maker, but as mentioned earlier by comrade dino the LUC movements are highly regarded.

    There is a standout model in the series, the XPS, which is sensibly sized and imo a better proportioned dress watch than a calatrava.

    I mean, just look at that:

    [​IMG]


    I think it's fair game, if only for the reason that we do judge what people buy, we do think about their reasons for purchasing things anyway, and to even attempt to pretend it doesn't happen is somewhere between silly and naive.

    At the very least when we discuss these potential motives we can correct our own false paradigms and gain an alternative pov or insight that we would otherwise never have reached otherwise by ourselves.

    At the best a potential regrettable purchase is avoided by someone who realises the error of his ways, so it's a win-win in my books. :)
     
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    Your on'a roll, I wasnt as sharp as you @30 (just adding a few cents)! One of those many things has to be stupidity , with maybe a little sales rep. coercion, got me this for 1g,back in 01'! Look the princess has no jewel (my MB pen after washing and 15min. in the dryer)[​IMG]I would have the watch from this brand to show you but,
    [​IMG]

    I sold it[​IMG]
     


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    Agree.
     


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