The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Brei

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gdl203, May 20, 2007.

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  1. ~ B ~

    ~ B ~ Senior member

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    Hi Dino,

    No worries about a difference in opinion or taste. We can all agree to disagree, especially on a topic as subjective as watches. Actually from much of what you've written I actually think we have pretty similar aesthetic tastes, but differ only on opinions on technical issues. For example, like you, I prefer tank or tonneau shaped watches for dress as well, as they are more interesting.

    Likewise with you, I find myself unimpressed by the majority of current VCs, even the Metier d'Árt collection. For enamel dials from European watch brands, I prefer Van Cleef watches which are made by Agenhor. The 1955 left me feeling the vintage cal 1003 watches were made much better, and the 1962 is quite ugly imho.

    The Toledo dial is also a little busy, but the case is just so voluptuous, rekindling the image of the old Cioccolatone.

    If you think vintage VCs were daring (which they were!), look at Rolex's vintage output. It makes their current models look utterly staid and unadventurous.

    Oh no, I understand that the Privee Collection is finished to a higher standard and was marketed as their marquee pieces. I checked out a friend's mono-poussoir with the THA movement and thought it was nice, but that I would rather have other watches for the money. I have a Cartier with the Piguet movement (though not CPC) and it is, suffice to say, badly made and finished. I think there are still several brands apart from Lange and Patek that could exceed Cartier.

    As for Cartier servicing, seems it is a lot cheaper in the States. In Asia, it can run 2 to 3 times the amount you mentioned. I was quoted the price you mentioned to change the battery on my Cartier quartz travel clock!

    I handled the Altiplano with the subdial at 4 o clock, but disliked it for the huge 43mm case and some imperfections on the dial printing. I find the latter unacceptable on a watch of this price level. Also played with the Double Jeu and some of their öne-off piece uniques, but just find their designs a little gauche. I agree with you that several other brands produce gaudy designs. But Piaget just seems to only produce ugly watches. Of course this is my opinion. I think their movement finishing is fine for the price but when I buy a watch, the dial matters just as much.

    Of course, the AP 2120 was a special product made just for the ref 15202, so I figured they would put in more effort. It is also more "in-house" now, if that matters.

    Thank you! I love the Reverso 1931 and it is one of the watches I wear quite regularly. I commissioned a bespoke light tan gator strap a few days back for it so the Casa Fag strap is no issue. It is not small at all, in fact I find it a tad long. But I have always preferred vintage watch sizes even though I have a large wrist. The Tribute case is even thinner than the original Reverso.

    Cheers,

    B
     
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    RAYZ-ACE - very classy. and like dino said, its only a matter of time....
     
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    Thank you :), i'm very happy with it, i dont expect to have many watches, but i wouldn't mind another one some day.
    :), i actually did look into vintage watches, but i'm not the most knowledgeable about watches and wouldn't know what to look for to ensure it was good condition or authentic, but thanks I'll def check Ermeto next time.
    Thank you :) , i wanted a watch that would age well, and i could wear for both casual and dressy

     
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    Hi B,

    VC's Metier d'Árt collection has never really been of much interest to me. I like the case of the Toledo, but I find it too large in its current form. The smaller size old manual wind Carree/Toledo from the 1990s, or even the automatic time only version that followed had better proportions IMHO.

    Interesting that you have a NON-Collection Privee Cartier with a Piguet movement that you feel is poorly finished. I have only seen a few models of NON Privee Cartier's with Piguet movements, and as each was significantly less than $7,000, their finish was good but not great. They were certainly not up to the level of their Privee watches or their new Fine Watchmaking Collection. The Tortue mono-poussoir, was a pricey watch when new. However, the single pusher chronograph movement is brillant. A friend of mine has one and I've always thought it was a great chronograph. It is also one of the few Cartiers that a few brand name snobs I've known (who usually only buy PP, AP, and VC) have said they intend to track one down at some point to add to their collections. However, I can understand if its not your taste and there are other watches you find more appealing. Sticking with major brands (not independents), I'll agree that yes, I maybe AP can and does exceed some of Cartier's high end models...most other brands at the high end I find are about the same.

    I've looked at several Piagets and never seen any that had problems with their dials, even when using a loupe. However, in that price range as you said there is not excuse for a watch with a poorly printed dial. The 43mm Altiplano is too wide and flat for my taste. It starts to look like a pancake on a strap. The Double Jeu is fun, but not my taste. I still think the manual wind Altiplano with or without the subdial for seconds represents a great value for its cost...and I would choose one over a similarly styled JLC...but thats personal choice. I also think their Emperador Toubillon is a beautiful watch with an amazing rectangular movement...but again thats just my 2 cents.

    Glad to hear you are enjoying your 1931 Reverso. Its my favorite designs of the last few years, and if I were buying a JLC it most liley would be that model. I've tried it and the case, dial, and the way it wears is perfect. Its definitely something that I could be very tempted to pick up in the future.

    Best regards,
    Dino
     
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    a customer wants to sell this to us. anyone have any idea of the market on it? we dont really deal so much with vintage pieces like this.

    thanks.

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    Vintage stuff can be a tough sell unless its a big name brand.
     
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    looks odd to me...ive never seen a vintage Jaeger watch...they've always been branded just LeCoultre. Id be interested if anyone has any insight into this. When did they go from LeCoultre to JLC? and did they ever produce Jaeger only branded watches.
     
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    yeah, i did some investigating, we are going to pass. thanks, dino.
     
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    in my investigating, i see they defo did make watches just branded "jaeger."

    as to the change over, i once knew all that history, but i forgot. :(

    this is from wikipedia. 1937 was the official change to JLC, even though Edmond Jaeger became involved with lecoulture earlier on.

     
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    Jaeger was well known for Chronos.
     
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    that is very interesting. i hadnt even thought about it, but all the "jaeger" branded models i saw, were chronographs. thanks!
     
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    Also what was missed out from your wiki text was this:

    "Watches sold in North America were sold under the LeCoultre name from 1932 to approximately 1985."

    So Jaeger-LeCoultre sold watches branded just LeCoultre until mid 80s. The earlier change was just for Europe and other markets.
     
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    thanks for the info. I knew i had seen LeCoultre branded watches long after the 30s haha.
     
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