The Watch Appreciation Thread - Part two (Rolex, Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Jaeger LeCoultre,

[Texasmade]

Could be a Casio Oak

Random observation: the cashier at my local supermarket, a kid who couldn't have been much older than 20, was wearing a very good Royal Oak copy. Or maybe it wasn't a copy and he's a drug dealer on some kind of community service (this is northern Europe, we don't do mass incarceration). Either way this isn't great for the brand, I would've thought.

 

[radicaldog]

Could be a Casio Oak

Haha no, definitely not. I was wearing my glasses.

 

[NakedYoga]

New perp cal, new movement - but the size . Still, think the triple register is pretty darn cool and happy Patek has introduced a new movement. Just wish it was 38-39mm:

That's very nice. What size is the case?

 

[Texasmade]

Then an AC in a Calatrava case in steel on a bracelet. This one looks off to me:

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If I ever wanted to know how the Seamaster 300m Pro would look like on a Patek, I have my answer.

 

[Newcomer]

That's very nice. What size is the case?

41.3 mm wide, 11.07 mm thick. The thickness is a bit odd to me - about 2mm more than the 5327. I guess it is because it is a modular?

 

[TheFoo]

Complain to Foo, not to me: he's the one who suggested that Roger Smith wearing a modern Rolex was an argument in favour of wearing modern Rolex. Because see, what watch to wear is an aesthetic decision, not a watchmaking one.
sign, and scholarly worlds.

Not even close.

You argued that romanticizing industrially-made watches is not valid since artisan-made watches can be at least as good in all horological respects if their makers wanted them to be. After all, if there is something unique to industrially-made watches that individual artisan watchmakers can’t match, then there may be good reason to appreciate each separately.

To demonstrate your point, you gave Roger Smith as an example of an artisan watchmaker who you claimed could match Rolex’s movements in functionality, precision, durability, etc. However, as I explained: there are many reasons why Smith actually cannot make a movement that matches or exceeds a Rolex in every way (e.g. infrastructure, scale, R&D and data resources, material sciences expertise, etc.). Moreover, Roger Smith himself has repeatedly acknowledged that Rolex movements are uniquely capable and wears an Explorer 1 out of admiration.

Hence, the fact that Roger Smith wears a Rolex is not meant to convince you, me, or anyone else to wear one. It was to counter your claim that there is nothing about modern industrially-made watches that is horologically unique versus what artisan watchmakers can achieve.

By the way, Philippe Dufour is also a big Rolex fan.

I'm inclined to agree. But each bubble has its field of expertise. When one talks about horology enthusiasts who buy modern Daytonas and such one is largely talking about the banker bubble these days, which is tantamount to claiming the wrong expertise for that particular group. (Which is why, incidentally, the claim that my argument was ad hominem is ludicrous.)

Oh man. You have data to show that the “banker bubble” is the one buying up modern Daytonas? Even if so, what makes them any worse than the “artist bubble” in horological taste? Maybe they actually have better claim to expertise, given generally strong educational backgrounds, proven analytical skills, and aptitude for learning about diverse topics and issues?

Such silly socialist nonsense. Much of the world’s art is only possible because it is patroned by the “banker bubble”.

 

[Omega Male]

If I ever wanted to know how the Seamaster 300m Pro would look like on a Patek, I have my answer.

Yeah, not a fan. The new 6119G is nice though, if anyone still buys dress watches.

 

[Newcomer]

Also, I have to say - I think the 6119 provides immense support for the comments that I (and others) made a couple weeks ago, about Patek's movements. The new movement increases PR to 65 hrs and has hacking seconds. It also is way more appropriate for the size of the case, and allows Patek to place the subdial in the appropriate position.

 

[usctrojans31]

Could be a Casio Oak

Royal Pine

 

[TheFoo]

Also, I have to say - I think the 6119 provides immense support for the comments that I (and others) made a couple weeks ago, about Patek's movements. The new movement increases PR to 65 hrs and has hacking seconds. It also is way more appropriate for the size of the case, and allows Patek to place the subdial in the appropriate position.

They move slowly and carefully. So, when a new movement is introduced, you can be a lot more confident that it has been fully vetted.

 

[classicalthunde]

Yeah, not a fan. The new 6119G is nice though, if anyone still buys dress watches.

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I like the look of the 6119s, with the exception of the cross hairs in the subdial

 

[Newcomer]

I like the look of the 6119s, with the exception of the cross hairs in the subdial

I don't mind them on the 6119G, which looks a bit sportier to me. I'd prefer them not to be on the 6119R.

 

[9thsymph]

Yeah, not a fan. The new 6119G is nice though, if anyone still buys dress watches.

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To possibly approach the issue from a different angle - I think _having_ a dress watch vs _buying_ a "new" one is something that will become more of a thing, insofar as the move away from situational dress-watch attire proliferates, dress watches (to an even larger extent than at present) will remain as heirloom pieces, or vintage acquisitions?

 

[dauster]

This all reminds me of a lesson my father taught me about wine when he opened a bottle of DRC Montrachet to share a couple years ago. He said: “When you drink most wines, you are learning about your own preferences. When you drink this wine, you are learning about what good wine should be, regardless of what you prefer.”

damn that's a 5-10k bottle - did you like it ?

 

[thuhoan]

Yeah, not a fan. The new 6119G is nice though, if anyone still buys dress watches.

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I do still. Got myself the VC Traditionnelle. I have a weak spot for small seconds, so I really like this Calatrava.

Edit: now I don't know which one I like more. Oh well, can't have everything. They look alike, but also very different.