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The Watch Appreciation Thread - Part two (Rolex, Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Jaeger LeCoultre,

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mimo, Feb 12, 2016.

  1. Igor01

    Igor01 Active Member

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    After going through the three typical Rolex WIS stages (1. knowledge of the brand, 2. snobby dismissal of the brand in favour of "real high end" and 3. actually getting familiar with the brand and the tech and innovation they stand for) I finally let go of my misguided hostility towards Rolex. Hopefully, I'll grow to appreciate the watch too, not just respect the brand :)

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  2. TheWraith

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    Nothing wrong with it. You're exactly right, @sliq, it was a flat white. Delicious, too :)
     


  3. BLAUGRANA

    BLAUGRANA Senior member

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    Curious as to how that played out.

    I've not been following watches enough to say conclusively, but I think any regression in pricing is in it's infancy.

    They do go quickly. From what I could tell one of them went in minutes this week.

    I thought that Wittnauer looked nice. Condition was amazing and that Hodinkee strap helped as well.
     


  4. mimo

    mimo Pernicious Enabler

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    Unless the quoted price is already inflated, I've never known anyone quote more than about 5% off list for a steel Sub - even the greys barely move, so not worth discarding the AD warranty maybe. The only trick available is with currency moves or sales tax if you're lucky.

    Anyway, I think it's fair to say for the say of a few per cent, that you are never going to lose on a steel Rolex.
     
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  5. Keith T

    Keith T TWAT Master.

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    My somewhat off-beat recommendation would be: the Hermès Cape Cod.

    Pretty sure they are *cough* quartz only, but I do find the design appealing for a ladies' watch, and of course with this particular piece ... it's really more about the strap.

    And they retail around $3K, which is either splitting the difference, or possibly no-man's land-- depending on how you look at things. Generally speaking, "people with ovaries" will probably recognize and likely appreciate this brand. YMMV.

    As a side note, I also personally like the Slim d'Hermès for gents as well. Of course, you've got the whole "not really a watchmaker" thing to deal with, and I can't recall if we have really discussed this one here on TheWAT ... but I consider myself a fan, based on what I've seen online.
     


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    They countered at $7K shipped overnight and I declined. My max was $5K, so, as mimo said, it was not meant to be.
     


  7. Igor01

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    The first 24 hour Sub-C ownership report - it's a fine watch indeed, all the Rolex Coolaid drinkers were definitely onto something. It definitely relays the sense of solidly built automata and will probably stand to years of normal (careful, but not obsessively so) use nicely. The handsome brushed finish will certainly help to hide the small marks and scratches. The bracelet is a mixed bag so far - the Glidelock design is undoubtedly a brilliant idea but the bulky clasp housing that comes with it I could easily do without. Not that it's very uncomfortable but I am much more aware of it than my other metal bracelet watches. Another funny thing about the bracelet - I actually had to put a bit of silicone lube onto the mounting points where the bracelet joins case and the clasp - they had a low but perceptible squeal of steel on steel when the watch shifted slightly with the wrist movement. That one puzzled me a bit - not that it's a major thing but I haven't seen this on my other watches and definitely didn't expect this from such a high quality watch maker.
    Another point that will take some time to get used to - the caseback sticks out a fair bit causing the watch sit a bit high on the wrist. It's not absurdly high or anything but coupled with the fairly wide lugs this may be a problem for some people with smaller wrists, at least I notice it on mine having got used to watches that sink nicely into the wrist. The higher watch stance can make it slightly less "stable" on the wrist and make it shift a tiny bit more, creating a feeling of a top-heavy watch or making the bracelet move against the skin on the sides which I don't mind all that much but definitely notice. I am really nit-picking right now though, none of these "negative" points are really significant, but since I have had the watch only for 24 hours I am describing what catches my eye from the get-go.

    The lume is awesome - definitely longer lasting of all my watches and oh so pretty :) Since it's my first watch with a cyclope, my brain still unconsciously id's it as a foreign object on the dial when I see it at a casual glance (not intentionally looking). I'll get used to that, I imagine. The magnification and the "black hole" effect on the date window are really nice though, I often use the date and with every passing year I appreciate larger, easier to read things more and more. The bezel turning is crisp and precise, with a sharp and pleasant tactile response. No doubt, this will save many a frozen pizza from accidental burning in the oven :)

    If I could change whatever I wanted on the sub I'd do the following - flatter caseback, possibly lower profile of the Glidelock clasp and a smoother bracelet with slightly chamfered edges of the links to increase comfort. But, all these are minor points and if I had to give up all but just one watch the Sub would be a very strong contender to stay.
     


  8. hindi ako

    hindi ako Well-Known Member

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    Does anybody have any experience with Zenith watches? I came across this piece which I quite like but am unsure if they are worth the money. Any information appreciated.


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    Thanks for the recommendation Keith, I'll take a look at it (and I'll take a look at the Slim d'Hermès as well).
     


  10. kimmo

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    Slightly underappreciated nowadays, but 50's and 60's very much on par with Omega and Rolex, both quality and innovation. 70's digital trend and general industry nosedive affected them, also. Early 70's pieces are still great value (between $500-1$k you get a lot of watch), also less forgeries than Omega (everyone wants a vintage Omega nowadays). Watchuseek has a very good Zenith subforum.
     


  11. Keith T

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    Only experience I have with Zenith is with a modern El Primero variation. Which I love. The brand has some great horological chops, although many have observed that they seemingly lost their way a bit with the oversized / open-worked trend, design-wise. And I agree. Some hits for sure in the new millenium, but also quite a few misses.

    I have really fancied a couple of their Pilot chrono variants over the last say, 5 years. And the Striking 10th is pretty impressive to me from a technical standpoint. But as kimmo points out, they *are* underappreciated, especially in the U.S.

    Having said that, I would not be able to speak specifically about the watch you have posted here, or its value, other than to say it looks like a classically-sized (and -styled) piece for the 70s - 80s era. And the date seems to be changing just slightly ahead of midnight :teach:
     
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  12. Keith T

    Keith T TWAT Master.

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    P.S. I enjoyed reading your mini-review of the ceramic Sub, Igor01. Congrats on a great pick up, and thanks for sharing some of the characteristics that you found less than perfect.

    Hope that you enjoy the next 24 hours of ownership, and the 24 after that, and so on.
     


  13. mosy

    mosy Senior member

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    Hi watch men! I am kind of new to watches and am hoping for some advice.

    Say I have up to $2,000 to spend. And let's assume I don't want to be busy buying watches again for a while, perhaps forever.

    Should I:

    A- Buy one super-versatile watch in the 1500-2000 range (say a brand like Tag or similar)....

    Or...

    B- Buy five or six different watches, each in the 150-650 range (say brands like Orient, Bulova, Seiko, Hamilton, Tissot, etc) with designs that cover the spectrum?

    Whichever option you prefer, I would love to hear some ideas.

    Thanks in advance!
     


  14. concealed

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    @mosy choose option c, save a few more bucks and buy something like an omega speedmaster
     


  15. mimo

    mimo Pernicious Enabler

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    @mosy that's such an open question, but...I never let an enabling opportunity slip by. I wouldn't go for the second option, because if you've got $2k for toys, it seems a shame to only ever have a $200 watch. Not that there's anything wrong with a $200 watch, or a $100 watch for that matter, but as you have the option to scale up, take it.

    For $2k there are some incredible used options. Personally I've been ogling a mint Black Bay at about that price. But perhaps you can give us a little idea of who you are and what you like? Do you wear a suit and tie for work? Like straps or bracelets? What do you already have?
     


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