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The Watch Appreciation Thread - Part two (Rolex, Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Jaeger LeCoultre,

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mimo, Feb 12, 2016.

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  1. culverwood

    culverwood Senior member

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    I have to disagree MF.

    Many Patek models are pure Bling.

    And most people who collect Pateks are in it for the investment not the love of horology. Just as most buyers of modern art are in it for the investment and to be one up on the sheik next door not the love of art.
     
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  2. Newcomer

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    With respect to the new Lange, I seriously doubt that the watch is plated or that Lange is using inferior parts. I think we are witnessing a move back towards realistic pricing.

    This Lange, at sub-$15,000, is squarely within my reach.
     
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    Indeed, I'd say that their standards have noticeably slipped, and they've certainly put out a few duds in recent years.

    Their older watches were lovely across the range, but things done changed. The only area in which Patek unquestionably seems to be leading the industry these days is auction manipulation.
     
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    roomiller Senior member

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    I'll admit that the gold-plated comment was simply a knee jerk reaction from a "Somethings got to give" mindset and is likely wrong. Though I don't find my suggestion about the movements to be quite as far-fetched, though of course it is simply conjecture. I wasn't suggesting that they would throw cheap or bad parts into this watch, just that movements that might not meet their exacting standards for a $25,000 watch could meet their ever-so-slightly less exacting standards for a $15,000 watch.
     
  5. Nikolaus

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    The Swiss watch industry has a post-China cat.
    They were inebriated by the Chinese who suddenly got access to western luxury toys and were mesmerized by them, competing to show off The Bling.
    If it was expensive and had a brand to make the price obvious it was grabbed.

    In the west it's always about quantity to make a sound profit. It sounds nice to think "our brand starts at 15.000$". Okay, but can you generate enough sales to keep the company afloat? Are there enough customers ready to dish out a car on a wrist ornament?
    Probably not; that's why Rolls finished as a BMW show-piece, same as Bentley, Hispano Suiza is history,...and various Swiss brands, like Audemars P. are on the way there (depending 70% on one model).
     
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    Absolutely!

    You got yourself a great timepiece, and if you truly love it and enjoy wearing it, then forget about any "greener grass" elsewhere.

    ( Sometimes tough to do as a watch lover, I know :happy: )




    God, I hope Newc is right, regardless of the reason.

    Realistic pricing: truly a trend that I can get behind.
     
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    IMO, the thing that makes the existing Saxonia Thin special is the finishing on the hands and hour sticks. It catches the light wonderfully. If they can stick to that level on the new model then I might be tempted by a white gold to pair with my rose gold model.
     
  8. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I sincerely doubt the finishing on the 37mm will be of a lesser grade. Lange does not moderate their finishing quality for price level. Anyway, initial photos suggest it will be every bit as well done as the 40mm Saxonia or any other Lange for that matter.

    Does the undersized movement seriously not bother anyone else? To me, that is an unforgivable trespass.
     
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    I like the clean, crisp lines on the case and the solid junction with the integral bracelet. The "battlements" on the bezel give it a nautical air (perhaps they remind me of a ship's wheel). I see this as the perfect companion for a sophisticated summer of island hopping in the Mediterranean. Congratulations.
     
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    While this moves Lange far more in to my price range, the movement vs case size makes it a non-starter for me. You're not alone.
     
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    That one's not *so* egregious to me personally, without naming a bunch of other examples.

    And I think most would agree that if Lange were to re-case it down to say, 34mm ... then they would really be limiting their market.

    But yeah, generally speaking I'd prefer to see a better size match with the internals.
     
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    Patek also has an undersized movement in the 5227, and it's even more obvious because of the inboard positioning of the date window.
     
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    I own watches (really just one, and really it's my wife's) which are as bad or worse offenders, but they cost 10% of that watch. I don't find the back side of that Lange aesthetically appealing in all honesty, the proportions (case to movement) coupled with the 3/4 plate are part of that. While I appreciate the price point, I'd still expect more at $15K.

    Disclaimer, I'd have to really see it in the metal to be this harsh about it, but that pic does not look promising to me.
     
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    Actually, it may not be that bad, I think that is the back of the Saxonia Thin just to show the movement, which will be the same one used in the 37mm. It may be much better than what is pictured if that is a picture of the Saxonia Thin (28mm diameter movement in a 37mm case). So I'll retract my stance until more pictures come out.
     
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  15. mafoofan

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    The 5196 is far worse--but at least they had the good sense to use a solid caseback.
     
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    Bought my first nice watch not long ago and settled on a Reverso :D. Gonna change the strap on this one to the brown porosus.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Argh!

    Need to get my shit together and get my Pam listed so I can get my Reverso.

    Congrats on that beauty!
     
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    Gorgeous. Everyone should have a Reverso.
     
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    Congrats! I really like the first generation Overseas. A friend has an early one with a blue dial, and he really enjoys wearing it. Wishing you all the best with your Overseas [​IMG]

    Maybe a small independent is the way to go for you. A friend of mine was an avid collector, having owned at one point 40 VCs (vintage and current), plus a Datograph, a few Rolex watches. However, he eventually decided, he couldn't wear them all often enough, sold off most but kept a few VC's and used the funds to by a JDN Tourbillon. He got to speak with Daniel Roth on a few occasions and got to give a bit of small input on the watch. Independents as you noted do not have the funds for serious R&D, but if you are looking for something traditional rather than cutting edge, the limited R&D may not matter. In any event, now my friend has just a few VCs and his JDN and they all get a lot of wrist time.

    Last year was a tough year for the Swiss watch industry. It would be refreshing to see some reasonable and realistic pricing after many years of watch companies really sticking it to their clients.

    +1

    I've only met a few Patek collectors who are definitely all about I bought it for X and now its worth Y, and I'm going to pick up this one as I think it will be the next to go up in value. I feel sorry for them in that the beauty and uniqueness of their watches are lost on them. Granted I have met a few folks who really do love and appreciate Patek for the right reasons.

    Its great that Patek's have great resale value and some appreciate, but sometimes I think the auction values just bring out the wrong kind of buyers.

    Sad but true.

    I like the price, but yes as someone who regularly complains about movements that are too small going into cases that are too large (one of my main issues with AP's RO 15400), it was one of the first things I noticed on the Lange. Not having seen it in person I will reserve my judgement until I actually see one...but I have a feeling its going to annoy me when I do see it.
     
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  20. Winot

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    A confession - I hadn't really noticed that the movement was small compared to the case size, and I don't really care. Do I get expelled from TWAT?

    Here's the rear view, taken just now. Presumably the movement ends at the inner edge of the rear bezel? Doesn't bother me.

    [​IMG]
     
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