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It was a very surreal moment when he made that statement. I remember initially thinking... did that guy just say what I think he said? He was in his early 40s, wearing a Lange on one wrist and a Journe on the other, wearing ugly clothes, and he had a "Paige boy haircut." It was like he was either trying out for a part in a suburban theater group and hoping to be cast as Prince Valiant, or he was the new model for Dutch Boy Paints.

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The event was a Puristpro watch forum dinner held maybe 15- 20 years ago, at Les Zygomates (a French Bistro of sorts). The restaurant closed long ago, but there are still some pix online. Overall, the evening was fine, and I got to see a Peter Speake Marin for the first time in person and also an RD. However, the most memorable part of the event was "Prince Valiant" letting people know who was worthy of his conversational skills. :rotflmao:
Oddly, I met up with another fella from one of these watch fora recently. It ended up being a really odd and terrible interaction. He actually invited me back to his place. I politely declined. I think it wasn’t about the watches after all. Not that that’s an issue.
 

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Rolex gave you that bracelet as a gift? Now that’s a flex. Or were you talking about that blue balls riff raff defiling that five digit delight. Dino is frowning in dissatisfaction that you allow them to touch

Actually, I did kind of cringe seeing the bracelet on the same wrist as his watch. I only did that once for a photo, but it's not how I wear a watch and bracelet. Someone liked it enough to steal the photo for some small scale men's style blog. The person went on to say they loved the combination of my Tank XL and bracelet, but then said something to the effect that it's a shame I have arms as hairy as a gorilla :rotflmao:


Oddly, I met up with another fella from one of these watch fora recently. It ended up being a really odd and terrible interaction. He actually invited me back to his place. I politely declined. I think it wasn’t about the watches after all. Not that that’s an issue.
Never had that happen meeting up with watch people.

Although chatting about hard to get watches with ADs often seems like it results in them suggesting a meeting at the waffle house to move up on the wait lists.:wink:
 
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Oddly, I met up with another fella from one of these watch fora recently. It ended up being a really odd and terrible interaction. He actually invited me back to his place. I politely declined. I think it wasn’t about the watches after all. Not that that’s an issue.
So was he the Rolex Explorer or Rolex Milgauss type?
 

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Been thinking a lot lately about some level of consolidation. Still very much on the fence but... it makes sense. The target - a 3940.

The first option, I do nothing. This is still very much an option.

The second option, I sell/trade the 5205G-013 and 5212A and likely contribute some measure of cash to get to a first series 3940J. The 3940 is my favorite perpetual calendar that is obtainable and the first series offers the best of vintage and neovintage. Love the subdials, the serifed Patek font, etc. To me, this makes a whole lot of sense. The only major con, as far as I am concerned, is that I will take a little bit of a bath on the 5205G-013 and 5212A (probably 20%-25%). Not terrible though.

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The third option, I go real big. I sell/trade the 5205G-013, the 5212A, and the 5712A and get a dore dial 3940. There is a huge pro here: I get what is likely my favorite watch that Patek has ever produced, and this is one that may be completely out of reach again. And I trade in my modern Pateks while they are still trading pretty high. Unfortunately, there are a couple cons. I lose my 5712A, which I adore. Although I could fill that hole with another 5712A in the future or a different Nautilus and not be too distraught. And my AD, if he found out, would probably be miffed. But I just haven't been wearing my 5712A as much as I thought I would and it is hard to ignore the value.

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I lose my 5712A, which I adore. Although I could fill that hole with another 5712A in the future or a different Nautilus and not be too distraught. And my AD, if he found out, would probably be miffed. But I just haven't been wearing my 5712A as much as I thought I would and it is hard to ignore the value.

I think it's very hard to justify keeping a Nautilus around given what else it gets you. Personally, I would sell it and buy what you want.
 

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Been thinking a lot lately about some level of consolidation. Still very much on the fence but... it makes sense. The target - a 3940.

The first option, I do nothing. This is still very much an option.

The second option, I sell/trade the 5205G-013 and 5212A and likely contribute some measure of cash to get to a first series 3940J. The 3940 is my favorite perpetual calendar that is obtainable and the first series offers the best of vintage and neovintage. Love the subdials, the serifed Patek font, etc. To me, this makes a whole lot of sense. The only major con, as far as I am concerned, is that I will take a little bit of a bath on the 5205G-013 and 5212A (probably 20%-25%). Not terrible though.

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The third option, I go real big. I sell/trade the 5205G-013, the 5212A, and the 5712A and get a dore dial 3940. There is a huge pro here: I get what is likely my favorite watch that Patek has ever produced, and this is one that may be completely out of reach again. And I trade in my modern Pateks while they are still trading pretty high. Unfortunately, there are a couple cons. I lose my 5712A, which I adore. Although I could fill that hole with another 5712A in the future or a different Nautilus and not be too distraught. And my AD, if he found out, would probably be miffed. But I just haven't been wearing my 5712A as much as I thought I would and it is hard to ignore the value.
I really like the 3940. It's a classic and the design is beautiful. There are no compromises like cut off numbers, or questionable case design or lugs. They got everything right with this one. I would sell or trade the 5205G-013 and 5212A. They are fine watches, but if you had a 3940 they are redundant, and to be honest the 3940 to my eye it's just a far better looking watch.

That being said, I would keep the 5712A. For me its the only version of the Nautilus that I think is really handsome and that the complications work for the design. I find the 5711 or 5811 nice, but boring, and the other complicated models like the annual calendar, perpetual or chronograph all look like after thoughts. It's different from your other Pateks and gives you a sporty Patek and a dress Patek if you get the 3940.

Wishing you lots of luck with whatever you decide.
 

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I think it's very hard to justify keeping a Nautilus around given what else it gets you. Personally, I would sell it and buy what you want.

That is the gnawing in the back of my mind. The 5712A is a great watch. However, it at most is a $50,000 watch. It certainly is not a $110,000 watch. For $50,000, there may be zero watches I want more than the 5712A. For $110,000, the 5712 would not be in the top 50 selections.

I really like the 3940. It's a classic and the design is beautiful. There are no compromises like cut off numbers, or questionable case design or lugs. They got everything right with this one. I would sell or trade the 5205G-013 and 5212A. They are fine watches, but if you had a 3940 they are redundant, and to be honest the 3940 to my eye it's just a far better looking watch.

That being said, I would keep the 5712A. For me its the only version of the Nautilus that I think is really handsome and that the complications work for the design. I find the 5711 or 5811 nice, but boring, and the other complicated models like the annual calendar, perpetual or chronograph all look like after thoughts. It's different from your other Pateks and gives you a sporty Patek and a dress Patek if you get the 3940.

Wishing you lots of luck with whatever you decide.

I agree with your first paragraph 100%. The 3940 would render the 5205 and 5212 redundant and it is a better watch by just about every conceivable metric. I had something of a lightning bolt moment and this just made so much more sense. Quite frankly, I am surprised it took me this long to have the realization.

Of the options, I am leaning towards option 2. I would be sad to sell my 5712. It is a great watch, and it is one that I chased for a long time. It also leaves me with one modern Patek - and certainly allows me to keep my door open to my AD. And, while I prefer the dore dial 3940 to the series 1 dial 3940, there are elements of the series 1 dial 3940 that I prefer - the sunken subdials, the old timey script, etc.
 

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That is the gnawing in the back of my mind. The 5712A is a great watch. However, it at most is a $50,000 watch. It certainly is not a $110,000 watch. For $50,000, there may be zero watches I want more than the 5712A. For $110,000, the 5712 would not be in the top 50 selections.

Yeah exactly. Although, I think I'd be quite tempted to go with Breguet, neovintage Blancpain or VC > PP. Quality from those brands would be the same or better at a lower price point. That way, you could get a very nice annual calendar from one of those brands used and a super nice independent with that money. I guess it depends on what the patek brand premium & design is worth to you.

Loads of awesome options in that price range for independents too on the dressy end of things...
 

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Been thinking a lot lately about some level of consolidation. Still very much on the fence but... it makes sense. The target - a 3940.

The first option, I do nothing. This is still very much an option.

The second option, I sell/trade the 5205G-013 and 5212A and likely contribute some measure of cash to get to a first series 3940J. The 3940 is my favorite perpetual calendar that is obtainable and the first series offers the best of vintage and neovintage. Love the subdials, the serifed Patek font, etc. To me, this makes a whole lot of sense. The only major con, as far as I am concerned, is that I will take a little bit of a bath on the 5205G-013 and 5212A (probably 20%-25%). Not terrible though.

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The third option, I go real big. I sell/trade the 5205G-013, the 5212A, and the 5712A and get a dore dial 3940. There is a huge pro here: I get what is likely my favorite watch that Patek has ever produced, and this is one that may be completely out of reach again. And I trade in my modern Pateks while they are still trading pretty high. Unfortunately, there are a couple cons. I lose my 5712A, which I adore. Although I could fill that hole with another 5712A in the future or a different Nautilus and not be too distraught. And my AD, if he found out, would probably be miffed. But I just haven't been wearing my 5712A as much as I thought I would and it is hard to ignore the value.

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Definitely option 2.

The 3940 is in the ne plus ultra territory - a grail of grails. You have a PP Perpetual/Grand Complications you've won. You've climbed the mountain and summited and then took a piss on top of the mountain to assert your alpha dominance. Clearly lesser-than watches can be sold. Personally, I can't stand the look of these "kind of looks like a casino board" watches like the 5205. The 5212 is a cute watch but like... a weekly calendar is a weird complication and certainly less flex than a perpetual.

I'm not a fan of the Nautilus or any variant on the integrated steel Patek (personally...personally... the idea of a steel Patek just doesn't compute). That said... if you love it, you shouldn't sell it. Maybe this will inspire you to wear it more. But don't sell something you love.

A gold, grand complication Patek that has the design language harking back to the original 96 is just incredible. I've got 1 Patek and you've got at least 3. You're already winning. Now go for the victory lap.
 

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