The Watch Appreciation Thread - Part two (Rolex, Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Jaeger LeCoultre,

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mimo, Feb 12, 2016.

  1. firenze_rob

    firenze_rob Senior member

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    Agree with Dino. There are too many variations in the El Primero line to make any sort of recommendation. Which reminds me of the time I first handled a Zenith. This must have been in the early naughties. I was at the, now defunct, Alpha Omega store near Harvard Square. I was shown a hideous Zenith Open Port Royal by the younger Handa. I thought the movement detail was nice, but overall wasn't for me. For those interested in a bit of boston cut and run business antics should google the shop name.
     


  2. marvin100

    marvin100 Senior member

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    It's so great that someone has finally come to the defense of Rolex!
     


  3. firenze_rob

    firenze_rob Senior member

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    I've seen the tri-color dial on the second hand market for 5.5-6.5k USD. 38mm version seems to be the way to go. It's interesting to see how the striking 10th prices just dropped liked a rock.

    In the spirit of Jalopnik, great price or crack pipe?

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Girard-Perr...317549?hash=item2a62ece06d:g:h3IAAOSwoydWkHfZ
     


  4. tigerpac

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    ^0 feedback and $2.74 for shipping don't bode well for that GP
     


  5. Ambulance Chaser

    Ambulance Chaser Senior member

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    Are you thinking about this watch? I think it's a very handsome watch, although I don't like that the minutes subdial is partially obscured. I've seen it available on the gray market for between $5 and $6K. A good example of the vintage model on which it is based (the A386) is not available for less than $10K.
     


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    ktown Senior member

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    I've wanted a BP for a long time but have held off on purchasing. What do you think of the watch's size relative to my 6.5" wrist?

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  7. JezeC

    JezeC Senior member

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    Yes that's the watch.

    Also I think Jomashop has it for $4600 (close to 50% off msrp).

    How much would this cost in the used market for something less than 2 years old?
     


  8. BLAUGRANA

    BLAUGRANA Senior member

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    Oh, I'm sure. One reason why I haven't and probably won't go for a CS3111 or CS3110 at the moment is that I have my eyes on other watches, one in particular, and if I go for another watch no matter how much I like it I'll be cutting into the budget while at the same time taking away from the wrist time of other watches I prefer.

    I think it looks massive. Of course it's going to at that size, but I'm not a fan. I think if you're going to go with a watch like that then wear it actually over a jacket sleeve like they used to back in the day. Of course how one feels about that and actually needing a jacket much in Los Angeles is another story, but were I looking for a pilot for the wrist I'd look at a smaller reference. The Mark XVIII for example, or the 36mm watch, though if you were to go with a "Mark" I'd go for an older version with either no date or a date that's laid out better if you're looking IWC specifically.
     
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  9. ktown

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    Yeah I also really like the Rolex BLNR and the IWC Port Auto. Not sure what I want. I wish the IWC BP came in perhaps a 43mm version...
     


  10. firenze_rob

    firenze_rob Senior member

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    I had a IWC BP 5004 that I traded to @SteveH35 a number of years ago. With respect to aesthetics, If you like pilot watches, the big pilot ticks off all the boxes.The dial and case finishing are great. And who doesn't love that distinctive crown. Living with the BP on a daily basis, however, is a challenge. It sits rather high on the wrist and it can be difficult to wear under cuffs at times. For myself, I started to wonder if I actually did want to wear a watch that Luftwaffe pilots wore whilst blitzing the western democracy. To each their own I suppose. If you're looking at sized down versions of time only pilot watches here are some brands and pieces that come to mind in various price ranges:

    IWC Mark in their various iterations.
    Tutima Flieger Automatic 638-01
    Glashutte Original made a number of pilot watches
    Stowa -
    Laco
    Azimuth
     


  11. mimo

    mimo Pernicious Enabler

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    Get the BLNR if you love it, and a Stowa Flieger with the change: the latter has all the history of the IWC, a movement of similar quality and a very wearable 40mm size for under a grand. Two watches, both will fit you better, have excellent residual value, the brand prestige you might want and even respectability among watch nerds. All problems solved for the price of the BP!
     


  12. JezeC

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    The Pelagos doesn't seem to get a lot of love here (although I can see why though, given the history of Rolex subs). I've handled it in person and the watch feels and looks great. The bracelet is very comfortable/light and it has spring bars to adjust to your preference when worn underwater. I believe the 5-liner has an in-house movement and an ample amount of power reserve. Nice watch Tchoy.

    Just to digress a bit. Is it common for a guy to love the looks of a Rolex but is hesitant to wear one given the name of the company. I think wearing that name on your wrist sort of gives off a different vibe than say Omega, Tudor, Tags etc...This was one of the reasons (and price) why I was enticed by the Tudor brand. But yeah, Rolex looks amazing.
     
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  13. iLuveketchup

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    I'm more comfortable wearing a Tudor vs a Rolex sub. The Rolex sub (and GMT) just gives a negative vibe, for me.

    I am however a big fan of 4 & 5-digit Explorer & Explorer IIs. They are the only Rolex I'd wear.
     
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  14. mimo

    mimo Pernicious Enabler

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    @JezeC Go back a couple of pages and I think that's been touched on re. the diver conversation: I think some people do worry about choosing Rolex simply because it's so recognisable, and therefore seems a little obvious. And let's face it, there's no denying it's the first thing to appear on the used car salesman's wrist when he gets his own lot. But, as Belligero said (if I might paraphrase), it's obvious for a reason. The reason is it's a really good watch in every possible respect.

    As for the Pelagos, I think you'll find quite a lot of love here, but it's very much a matter of taste: it's larger than a Sub, which some like and some don't. It's cheaper, even with the new COSC-certified movement - though the Black Bay is cheaper still. And it's lighter, being titanium, which some like and some don't.

    I admire what Tudor have done to develop the Pelagos in its own direction - making it titanium, bigger, adding a helium release valve, and the 50atm depth rating that makes it more than a Sub and less than a Sea Dweller. In some ways, it's more practical and relevant as a dive watch than any of the Rolexes, and now has more in common with a Planet Ocean than a Submariner. For me, it falls slightly between "accessible" and "luxury" on price which is a difficult area to justify, and perhaps aesthetically will always feel a bit like a Sub-substitute. But that's just me, and it isn't: it's a really cool watch, and I know it has a lot of fans here.
     
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    Quote:I'm not a huge vintage guy but like those choices. However, such a blanket statement can be dangerous! You'd turn away an old Daytona? I think some of them are OK. ;)
     


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