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I’m fortunate that wearing a nice watch is not frowned upon in my job. Actually, can be a good conversation starter.
 

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Maybe it's because I'm a Styleforumer but I would be put off as a juror if one of the lawyers showed up with unkempt hair and wearing an ill-fitting suit and Rockports. There's a happy medium between that look and Pat Riley circa 1985.

I agree that you don't want to wear a gold watch to court. Maybe not a Rolex Sub either. But it seems to me that a Royal Oak, Calatrava, or other watch on that level is going to go unrecognized unless one of the jurors is a Redbar member. :tongue:
 

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:crackup:Cute, but on a multiday trial you are on display for the jury to watch for hours on end. Unless you sit at the table, never moving, never reaching for different documents, never handing the court clerk documents, never approaching witnesses with documents, and you never approach the jury to try to engage them, no matter what, at different points your watch will go beyond your shirt cuffs. I don't want a jury to be thinking, if the defendant can afford this guy, he must have a lot of money so it doesn't matter if I really whack him by awarding a big verdict. (For the car guys here, on my last case there was a count for negligent entrustment of an automobile. Although it was ultimately proven that it was stolen by a family member, one of the cars in the garage was a Porsche 911. It wasn't the car that was stolen, but it was mentioned in a deposition transcript several times and therefore an oral motion was presented on the first day of trial, outside of the jury's presence, that plaintiffs' counsel not make any references to the Porsche as it might signify wealth and have a negative effect on the jury). It was allowed.

No, I don't wear my nicest suits/shoes to jury trials. However, I know lawyers with net worths of $20-40 Million who go as far as to wear tired 30 year old suits to court and put tape on the corner of their glasses (which aren't broken), because they want to look like an ordinary nerdy suburban lawyer who is just an everyday guy like the jurors.
What did they steal instead of the Porsche?
 

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I’m guessing many folks here restrain from buying watches they can afford, but pass on due to factors of douche-to-reward metrics? Maybe not? Is that a thing? It is for me…

Have you passed on a watch (you can afford) due to what you think it communicates to your constellation of acquaintances?
I only pass on watches because Styleforum will think I'm wearing my girlfriend's watch
 

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There are no d-bag watches, only d-bag owners.

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Maybe it's because I'm a Styleforumer but I would be put off as a juror if one of the lawyers showed up with unkempt hair and wearing an ill-fitting suit and Rockports. There's a happy medium between that look and Pat Riley circa 1985.

I agree that you don't want to wear a gold watch to court. Maybe not a Rolex Sub either. But it seems to me that a Royal Oak, Calatrava, or other watch on that level is going to go unrecognized unless one of the jurors is a Redbar member. :tongue:
You know, it's interesting. I've found that it's jurisdiction-specific. In Miami-Dade County, the Canali/Zegna suits, polished Edward Greens, and fancy watches meshes well with lawyers that can actually engage jurors and are effective cross-examiners. Juries love that here. They want that flash because they're used to it. The culture here brainwashes everyone into wanting that lifestyle. Having said that, I exclusively wear my 5396R in any and all courtroom settings. It's nice without being too flashy.

On the other hand, I've tried cases in the midwest and the south and took a much more conservative approach. I was even removed from a trial team once in Arkansas because having a beautiful brown with a funny sounding name on the team worked against us. Totally understood that, withdrew, and we won.

Maybe @Dino944 @NakedYoga and @Newcomer have different perspectives.
 

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By the way, noticed someone mentioned this earlier. The owner of my AD, who I am close with and am a personal friend of, told me that they make $.14 out of every dollar of Rolex that they sell. That's it. That's their margin. He told me that Rolex adjusted contracts years ago and significantly reduced AD margins. That's one of the reasons you used to get huge discounts on some models and now you can't get anything discounted.
 

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By the way, noticed someone mentioned this earlier. The owner of my AD, who I am close with and am a personal friend of, told me that they make $.14 out of every dollar of Rolex that they sell. That's it. That's their margin. He told me that Rolex adjusted contracts years ago and significantly reduced AD margins. That's one of the reasons you used to get huge discounts on some models and now you can't get anything discounted.

Well, what else does he want for guaranteed sales?
 

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You know, it's interesting. I've found that it's jurisdiction-specific. In Miami-Dade County, the Canali/Zegna suits, polished Edward Greens, and fancy watches meshes well with lawyers that can actually engage jurors and are effective cross-examiners. Juries love that here. They want that flash because they're used to it. The culture here brainwashes everyone into wanting that lifestyle. Having said that, I exclusively wear my 5396R in any and all courtroom settings. It's nice without being too flashy.

On the other hand, I've tried cases in the midwest and the south and took a much more conservative approach. I was even removed from a trial team once in Arkansas because having a beautiful brown with a funny sounding name on the team worked against us. Totally understood that, withdrew, and we won.

Maybe @Dino944 @NakedYoga and @Newcomer have different perspectives.
Interesting.

All my work is basically in one state trial jurisdiction and appellate courts, so my perspective is pretty limited. If I appear in court, I dress pretty conservatively. It's basically some version of a dark gray, charcoal, or navy blue suit (solid, or a very faint pattern like birdseye or glen check that resolves to a solid from anything more than a few feet away), black cap toe shoes, white pocket square, solid white or light blue shirt with spread collar, and boring tie. I save the more fun stuff for out of the office or non-judicial things like mediations and depositions. I pretty much always wear either my Tank or, now, silver/gold 36mm Oyster Perpetual in court.

And in fairness, I also don't have any watches in the price range of your 5396, although that is a good example of an expensive, very nice watch that is not flashy. It's a really great balance.
 

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By the way, noticed someone mentioned this earlier. The owner of my AD, who I am close with and am a personal friend of, told me that they make $.14 out of every dollar of Rolex that they sell. That's it. That's their margin. He told me that Rolex adjusted contracts years ago and significantly reduced AD margins. That's one of the reasons you used to get huge discounts on some models and now you can't get anything discounted.
Is 14% a low margin for that type of good/industry? I just have no clue whether that's shockingly low, sort of low, average, etc. I wonder how that margin compares to other brands where discounts are more readily offered.
 

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