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The Watch Appreciation Thread - Part two (Rolex, Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Jaeger LeCoultre,

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mimo, Feb 12, 2016.

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  1. dcg

    dcg Senior member

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    Yes, definite preference for tritium. Looking for something that will develop a nice patina, and not concerned with (or expecting) any remaining lume. At the price point, if I wanted good lume I'd grab a barely used ceramic no date sub and get the benefit of a few years of remaining original warranty and the glidelock bracelet.
     
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    Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Seems like there's a near-unanimous consensus on keeping the Daytona, GMT, Sea-Dweller and OQ. I was thinking pretty much the same. The GMT and Daytona are easy picks. However, I'm pleasantly surprised to see the amount of affection out there for the Oysterquartz. It's been an unexpected favourite for me, as well, considering that I started out not being into 36 mm watches, quartz or Rolex... and I used to think the Cyclops thing was pretty lame too. Things done changed. My only dissenting opinion is that I find the white Explorer II is a spot-on casual and travel watch for a big wrist, adds some dial-colour variety, and has a bit more personality than the Sea-Dweller. Having a diving-specific Rolex isn't a big deal to me; they're all plenty waterproof, and I also have a groovy Vulcain Nautical that doesn't get worn nearly as often as it deserves to be. That one will be a tough call. So bye-bye Deepsea, either the SD or Exp II goes, and as much as I like the OP, it does look pretty much the same as the OQ and is much more easily replaceable. Choosing four isn't so bad, but narrowing it down to three (or two ) becomes quite a bit more difficult. One watch has to be the 1675; I should have just stuck with that one and not become hooked on the modern stuff. Unfortunately, a luxury, once sampled, becomes a necessity. It's good to hear from everyone and I appreciate your thoughts: cheers! [​IMG]
    dive watch on leather makes cognitive dissonance; brac'let can't be beat
    i would recommend previous-model datejust: perfected wristwatch [​IMG] A friend in London has this exact watch and I think it's brilliant; it's one of the few that handles both smart and sporty equally well in real life, it would easily suit all your criteria, and it should keep away any upgrade-itis. Although you may add more watches later, there's always a place for a simple steel Rolex.
     
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    I'm biased as I was never a fan of the original Ex II and don't like this iteration either. I don't think it'll age gracefully. If it was an ExII Polar 16570 I would say keep for the white dial. This is clearly such a personal opinion that it wasn't worth really bringing given how you have stated that the SD has grown stale for you and how much you were enjoying the ExII. But I figured I might as well add it just in case. I certainly agree though that having a diver for water purposes is kind of redundant within your line up, however you are missing some of that Sub DNA if you choose to let the SD go. Regardless, this is an envious position you find yourself in, good luck!
     
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    Thanks everyone for the detailed feedback! My #1 option was the OP Rhodium, so I am happy to get validation from such a knowledgeable crowd (spending $6k will create this necessity for some of us).

    Will post pics once I buy it. One last all-important question:

    Where is a good place to buy it in NYC? Are online or Delaware option worth exploring? Thanks again!
     
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    If buying a Rolex, it is best to do it from an AD. I was able to save tax by buying the watch then having it shipped to another state so Delaware to NYC would work. The OP Rhodium is a good choice for a Rolex.
     
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    Thanks! I definitely will buy it from an AD, although with the dollar so strong and having to travel a lot for work I am exploring buying in another country.

    I presume the warranty could be fulfilled in NYC no matter where I buy as long as it is from an AD?
     
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    My B series PAM28 says hi.
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    Rolex (and many other manufacturers) do not allow ADs to sell their watches online or even by telephone. They don't want ADs competing with AD's outside their regions.

    You could always take a trip and buy from a place that doesn't have sales tax, or travel to and buy from a place that does not have a branch in your home state ship it home (in which case they do not charge tax).

    Yes Rolex NYC will honor your warranty if you buy it out of the US. The only half issue with that after dealing with customs and paying any applicable duties, is that if you have a problem with the watch you can only resort to bringing it to a Rolex service center and dealing with it under warranty. That can be fine, and you may have no issues ever, as most of these watches are just about perfect...but in one instance where a friend did have an issue, the AD simply took the watch back and gave him another brand new one, rather than sending it into Rolex, him being without it, them having to open it etc. Everyone is different but for a big purchase, I feel more comfortable building a relationship with ADs here in the US, rather than dealing with a place I might never buy from again and which will have no interest or ability to assist me if there is an issue. Just my 2 cents. Good luck with your watch journey!
     
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    Another couple of questions related to AP ROs; is the 15202 'worth' the considerable price difference over the 15300? Finally, what are thoughts on the white dial 15202? Thanks.
     
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    Wow, nice piece! It's in amazing condition for its age. Wear it well!
     
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    Narrowing it down to three would be easy for me, ditch the Daytona, but as Dino always says it is only my personal point of view. I. I do not like chronographs. 2. I do not like the polished/satin bracelet. 3. I do not like the lettering on the bezel. I know it is a wonderful watch but just not one for me.
     
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    Hello chaps; thanks for all the kind words. Nobody wanted this thread to change much - me included - and it's nice to see the momentum continue uninterrupted with this quick refresh. All the "mega-threads" have to do this once in a while; it's just a measure of success.

    @Belligero I would have picked the same three/four as everyone else. I get you on the Ex, but I think there is something so definitive about a black dialed Rolex diver that it would be a shame not to have one in the collection. I think the real question is Ex vs Pepsi. And I'd still go the latter. And you could keep five... As for the OQ, really everything you've said: I've always loved the case and bracelet, and how scarily contemporary it looks considering its age. The great irony, and another reason not to get rid of it, is that despite its being unique in the Rolex line up, it's pretty much the cheapest men's Rolex you can buy still. Therefore to me, the reasons to keep it far outweigh any gain from selling it.
     
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    With Rolex...the answer is ALWAYS steel.





    Nope, sorry. Always.



    I mean it.
     
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    Lol. Thanks guys. I appreciate the feedback.
    I think it's clear I need to get the steel back on pretty damn quickly. I think I preferred the steel but was looking for something new to do.
    Evidently a mistake. Comes back to 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it....'
     
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    ^There's no 'mistake' I prefer the stainless too but variety is the spice of life!
     
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    I am going against the grain and say a Sub can look good on a lot of different bands but leather is not great. @no frills put his DSSD on a bright red rubber strap which looked great and he may have even put his sub on a black rubber strap. There are then a lot of people with the rare MilSub who have theirs on a Nato strap which looks good but you can never go wrong with steel.

    I think the Sub is more conducive to changing the bracelet to a strap than other Rolex models though I have a soft spot for a Daytona on Alligator.
     
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    Nah, the leather looks fine too even if I prefer the bracelet (and you ignore the water-immersion factor).

    A solid-coloured NATO strap can also look great, and it suits a case with lug holes since you can use proper flangeless spring bars with it.

    Another nice thing about lug holes: you can swap straps in a matter of seconds without leaving a mark using just a toothpick.
     
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    Water immersion a total non-issue. This piece never goes near water. I fact the only water my red sub will experience are my tear drops of frustration going back and forth between straps [​IMG]
     
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    That's a really personal decision that only you can decide. The 15300 is a great watch. Its designed to take maybe a bit more abuse if you are tough on watches, it has a thicker case, and thicker bracelet. However, I have tried on most of the modern steel ROs (15300, 15400, 15202 new and previous models, the dual time, the day-date a.k.a the owl, and a few chronographs) and for me the modern 15202 was the right choice.

    The movement itself is largely part of the attraction to the watch. If the movement doesn't matter as much to you then probably the 15202 isn't the right choice, as the 15300's in cal 3120 is really nice. However, other collectors I'm friendly with and who have owned lots of great watches including several ROs, all said if they were choosing one RO have in their collection it would be the 15202. I have mentioned it before, and again this goes to the movement, it is the only movement going into their less complicated pieces that is assembled in the same department as their high complications. For a time only piece it is a rather complicated design and still one of the thinnest automatic movements of all time.

    Its not as water resistant as some of their other pieces, only WR to 50m, but I wouldn't wear a watch like this swimming anyway. However, other than that, its a tremendously versatile watch and I've worn mine as a daily wearer for nearly 3.5 years. Its one of my favorite watches. The 15300 and 15400 are wonderful watches, but each had an element that was not quite right for me, but from the moment I put the modern 15202 on I knew it was the right choice it just spoke to me. I would advise you to try on the 15300, 15400, and 15202 (new and old)...they have different clasps. Although the clasp of the model just prior to the 15202 has a prettier clasp, I didn't find it as comfortable as on the modern piece. I also did not find the clasp on the 15300 all that comfortable for me, but again it was pretty. I found the clasp of the modern 15202 (from 2012 on) and that of the 15400 more comfortable.

    I can't say that I love the white dial 15202. The years prior to 2012 they they shortened the hour markers and added Arabic numerals around the outside 5, 10, 15, 20 etc,,,I just never loved how these dials looked. The models prior and after with longer slimmer hour markers looked more handsome and closer to the original design...but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    The RO is a great watch in any form. For me the 15202 was worth the extra money, but that doesn't mean its the best choice for you. Good luck on your search and do yourself a favor and try all of the styles on to see which is best for you. Cheers!

    I think if a person likes chronographs and wants one, the Daytona can be a great choice. Technically, its tough to beat especially at its price point. However, it has always been a sort of polarizing watch. Some people don't like the polished parts, some wished it had a date, some prefer the looks of the vintage models. I really like the modern version a lot, but as I've said before I greatly prefer the previous model, both for its dial and fewer polished parts. I've always been a fan of Daytonas, but as I mentioned recently, I actually find that I enjoy my BLNR GMTII a bit more than my modern Daytona. Cheers!
     

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