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The Watch Appreciation Thread - Part two (Rolex, Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Jaeger LeCoultre,

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mimo, Feb 12, 2016.

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    DLJr Senior member

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    Yeah their initial issues with the dual color ceramic bezel were discussed here; one of the downfalls of being vertically integrated. You can certainly draw whatever conclusion you'd like, I just think it's a big leap if going off the number of bezels offered. I personally don't think Rolex likes to dilute their lines (within a metal; SS, two tone, precious) with too many variations.
     
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    I'm with Boston - I prefer the Home Time by a country mile. In fact I got that very watch as a graduation gift for my brother when he finished business school so I'm a little biased.
     
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    What are you considering the premium models? All gold? Sorry, not really sure what you mean when you are talking about the Pepsi being the most coveted and then saying this would be a way to draw desire to the premium models. Are you suggesting that if they offered a blue/red bezel on steel models, it would draw people to the gold models? The already offer a Pepsi bezel on the WG ...so how would offering it on non-premium models draw that desire to the premium models?


    I like the JLC Master Home Dualtime. I think the asymmetry creates a more whimsical and interesting look for the watch. Some of JLC's offerings in the Master collection, I often find so stoic they border on boring. I really like this watch, and although the bracelet is nice, I prefer how it looks on a strap. That being said, if you like the bracelet, buy it on the bracelet. Its usually cheaper to do it this way and negotiate on the price of the watch with bracelet than it is to buy a bracelet after the fact through after sales service departments. You can always add a strap and buckle for a lot less than a bracelet.

    The Homtetime with centralized subdials that BH posted a photo of its a nice enough watch, but it sort of "Plays it safe" and it doesn't do anything for me. Both are high quality watches and its merely a matter of which design you prefer. As always see them in person, try them on and then decide. Cheers!
     
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    I mean I suspect they would sell even more if they could offer Pepsi on steel models. It's a small wonder why they don't. So either they withhold the Pepsi bezel on steel to make wg more coveted, or because of production difficulties in producing steel Pepsi models at scale.
     
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    This for me as well. So it's hard for me to comment on much other than I find it bland.
     
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    Never forget!
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    That's a seriously nice watch, especially in person.
     
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    They already sell tons of GMT2s be it with the black bezel or the blue/black bezel. Yes, I'm sure there are lots of people who would like to have a Pepsi at a steel price. However, if they offer it in steel, it would kill the sales of the WG model. Why buy the $30K+ version when you can buy one that looks just like it for around $9K? Not to mention, I suspect in that price range the WG GMT's sales are already limited. So yes, its probably about marketing, but they are pretty good and that. Besides, Rolex hasn't offered a steel GMT with a Pepsi dial and they certainly aren't hurting in the sales department.
     
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    An exclusive bezel certainly would help secure sales of a white gold model. But I'd still take any wager that the failure rate of Pepsi bezels is significantly higher than that of the BLNR.
     
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    Are we still talking about imaginary watches? :)

    Personally, I'm much more interested to see which models will get the new 32XX movements this year.
     
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    Whether they limit the Pepsi bezel to garner interest in the WG model, or whether they limit it to the WG model because they can only make a certain number of Pepsi bezels and its easier to supply it to a lower production model, or a combination of the 2, it makes little difference. As stated before, they already sell a ton of steel Rolex watches, its their "Bread and butter." Of roughly the 10 homes closest to mine, 4 of of us husbands have Rolex watches - 1 tutone DJ, and 3 steel ceramic GMTs (my BLNR and 2 black bezel models). So I don't worry that Rolex isn't selling enough steel watches, or that they worry about needing to sell more GMTs. Oh, and there is only one neighbor with an Omega Planet Ocean.
     
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    I'll play too. When/if they come out with a modern Coke - do you guys see it as a SS or gold model? As a half black bezel should be cheaper to make than a Pepsi.....
     
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    Imaginary Rolexes

    1. I don't hate the rootbeer. And it's the one Rolex sports watch that to me actually looks better on a strap.
    2. If there's a retro model, the Coke seems sensible, but I think Rolex are way too skilled in building anticipation to roll one out just a year or two after the Pepsi
    3. A different dial or hand colour is a more likely increment, I suspect.


    Grey Side

    I don't hate the idea of a ceramic Speedy either, and quite like the DSOM. This is nice too, but I couldn't help thinking when I saw one, that it was quite an odd thing to make a ceramic watch and then fiddle around to make the colour look a bit like metal. Now I can't unthink that.
     
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    Here's a pic of my JLC Master Compressor Memovox. I purchased this in October of 2015 pre-owned on bracelet, and later purchased a JLC deployant with a Master Compressor style strap. My only other watch is an Omega Seamaster 2254. I really like the look of this watch and one thing that drew me to the watch was the unique in-house complication of the alarm. Happy Friday.

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    That's the glory of it though! It will shine and look brand new forever. It's almost impossible to scratch without shattering it.

    Shattering is the only downside IMO but now that they are using deployant buckles the number of fatalities should stay really low. I've knocked mine pretty good against solid objects with no issues (thank goodness) but am very careful when putting it on and taking it off (I don't have deployant buckle but just waiting for Omega to start selling them. I have straps ready and waiting).

    I'm not fond of Omega's value though I must admit. They just drop like a rock once opened and even 40% off on grey market with warranty is easy to find. I only paid $7300 for a $12,000 msrp watch new with stamped warranty card. All my Rolex' have either went up in value or hovered right at original purchase price which is a lot more favorable when thinking about purchasing a high end watch. I don't have any "real" high end watches (PP, AP, ALS) yet but am favoring the PP 5164/5167 for my first large purchase.
     
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    I imagine coke would be the most difficult and exclusive of all. Here we are dealing with the lightest and darkest color available, rather than letting blue be the middle ground. There is no additive color blending process to make that at scale in ceramic. Clearly that would be reserved for platinum.
     
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    Well it's certainly not vintage and not necessarily off the beaten path that much, but one watch that I don't believe was suggested was the numbered edition Speedmaster:

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    There's a lot that I like about this watch. For starters I love that it's under 40mm. I also love the dagger hands. The asymmetry of the smaller hands is nice too. And while their use of crystal instead of hezalite is an issue for a lot of "purists", it's a choice that from the photos I've seen make the watch look "richer" if you will. You can also pick one up at a nice discount as well. For me this is the best "new" Speedmaster they make when you factor everything in.

    Ever since Hodinkee did that recent piece on the 3705 I've been interested in one of these. While the ceramic 3705 is likely never going to happen, I'd take a stainless steel version so long as the day register is in German and the plots have that vintage yellow patina. Nice recommendation.
    I like that one as well, though it'd have to be the Vintage Deep Sea Chronograph with the fauxtina.

    Excellent suggestion with the CS3110. I've been eyeing up both that and the CS3111, though the latter for me is perhaps a bit too "samey" as a Speedmaster which I definitely plan on getting one day. What's great about these is that they seem to use a classic movement that I would assume would be easy enough to service. More than that though I think the styling is great along with the size of the watch. What's more you can still find them in relatively great shape and for half the price of a vintage Carrera while still getting pretty much vintage yourself.

    I completely understand where you're coming from. I've had the same thoughts along with that same voice in my head. @Dino944 gives you great advise in that you're probably already answering your own question. I would say that one reason not to get "excited" about Nomos is that you can find a similar looking watch that is much nicer. For example I'd much rather have a Saxonia than an Orion. Of course there's a huge price difference there and everyone has their own budget (sadly I'm on the Nomos end, but I'm eyeing up a nice 1815), but at the end of the day you'll probably feel much better about getting something you feel more passionate about.
    Nomos for me is a "fashion" watch. Not in the sense of say an actual fashion house watch like... I don't know, Gucci. It's a fashion watch in that their pieces are fashionable. Perhaps I'll get some flack for saying this, but they're the Swatch of today from a style perspective with the obvious difference being they're making a much more "serious" watch. That said and despite what I noted above, I do love Nomos. I wasn't as impressed in the flesh, but that was a brief one-time affair and I think pretty much every model looks great. They also occupy a space that most other watches don't in that "fashion" piece, in a more casual sense, that most other pieces consumers tend to buy don't.

    Were I to get a Nomos I'd go for one of the more limited editions. As some may notice now I tend to prefer limited editions, but in this case it's more about the watches being different than their production numbers. You seem to have moved on from the Orion, but they've done some interesting Orions. I'm sure the Friesennerz will only draw scorn on this forum, but for me it's an interesting edition draws from my love for Spring outerwear/raincoats (yellow in particular) and my love for navy blue. I also think the 1989 and Grau versions are nice. Or if you're so inclined you might like the special edition Timeless Midnight Orion. Same goes for the Tetra as there are older models that for me had great color combinations. Or take to a slightly lesser extent the Doctors without Borders editions. Where I'm going with this is that I think Nomos could occupy a space in a collection, or perhaps in my "collection", if one approached it from this perspective.

    The Metro is a Nomos I really like, but again is very much a fashion watch. It's very cool though and definitely quite distinctive. It too is one of the watches I would consider most were I to get a Nomos. I think if any model says "Nomos" the most it's certainly the Metro.

    The one Nomos though that I think could and perhaps is more considered by most is in some ways a little less "Nomos" than the rest. That's the Zurich Weltzeit. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely got a Nomos look to it. It's just that it's more like other watches out there. In the flesh it was the best Nomos I handled. I was more interested in other models going in, but this for me looked the best in person. I think it's a distinctive GMT watch that can really work as less a fashion piece than the majority of the rest of Nomos' collection. And while I noted that it's more like other watches out there, it's still also distinctive on it's own. You can also get one at a notable enough discount as I've seen them for about 33% off full retail in excellent condition. Better yet you can probably get one with what should be the preferred "Heimat" on the eggshell white dial for even less.

    Despite my commentary above, Nomos is for me a brand that I don't see myself getting into just yet. For every Nomos I like, there's always another piece that speaks more to me whether it's at the same price point or notably higher which means that my money is better put towards one of those watches as oppposed to a Nomos. Whatever you decide best of luck with your decision and please do share if you buy one. Oh, and make sure you change the strap if you get one. Cheap or not, the straps themselves look cheap to me.
    I remember seeing this one on Watchrecon. So was this moved for the GO?

    Nice read. Thanks for sharing.

    While not remotely opposed to asymmetry, I'm not a fan of this one. That said it's distinctive and while they may have made their fair share I've not seen one before. While I would buy one with a bracelet if you can, I'd immediately ditch the bracelet for a nice strap.

    While the JLC Masters can be a bit plain and not the most distinctive watches out there, I actually find myself drawn to them. For the price points I've seen I think they're a much nicer watch than some of the preferred "competitors" that might get thrown out as alternatives. I like the classic looks about them. Owning a Geophysic though I can't help but think adding a Master would be overkill. Still an Ultra Thin, particularly an Ultra Thin Moon, would be enough of a variance. The problem is that when I think moon phase I think Lange. Then again I think almost entirely Lange every day right now.

    While the current GMTs don't do it for me (not a fan of the number font on the bezel), the Blueberry coloring is amazing. Love that combo and for me it blows the BLNR out of the water. If the previous GMT had been made in this color I'd probably buy one today.
     
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    Don't Omegas seem to hold their heavily discounted value though? Assuming you get the right one of course.
     
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    I love my Omega, but I definitely have no delusions of it holding its monetary value, especially compared to Rolex. But like most, I didn't buy it as an investment at all.

    There are a good number of things that Rolex exceeds at, and holding their value is definitely one of their strengths.
     
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    Yes they do from what little research I've done searching for some of their older models.

    I'd never buy a watch that I intended to wear in my daily rotation based on it holding a monetary value but it is disappointing how cheap one can get an Omega from grey dealers compared to Omega Boutiques. I went to the nearest boutique to try on the DSOTM and GSOTM. They both blew me away in the metal (ceramic lol) compared to pics I'd seen and they even truly impressed my wife as well. It's just ashamed that the Boutiques can't budge on their MSRP pricing. I had a $12,000 watch on my wrist at the Boutique and then ordered mine while still walking around the mall for $7300. Had it on my wrist the next day so it's just odd to me being my first experience purchasing an Omega I guess. I bought my first Rolex 16610 as a gift to myself for graduation from an AD at near full price then the bug hit and learned to buy from grey dealers which could provide warranties and save even more. But even buying grey market Rolex isn't anywhere near the depreciation of Omega. The only thing I truly don't like about the Omegas I've had experience with is the bracelet clasps. It's like they are 30 years behind the market but I like straps on Omegas so no issue for me.
     
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