The Watch Appreciation Thread - Part two (Rolex, Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Jaeger LeCoultre,

[St1X]

Richemont trash question - if an AD carries some Richemont brands, but not others...do you think it is possible for them to order a watch from one of the other brands that they are not explicitly listed as an AD for?

Ask them, not us

 

[classicalthunde]

Ask them, not us

fair point, I guess my question should have been - has anyone tried this before or had success with it?

 

[NakedYoga]

May just be me, but I do not understand, at all, the desire to spend that much money on one element of a watch when the rest of the watch is a $1-2k watch.

I don't disagree with you. Do you feel the same way regarding precious metals, or just things like enamel dials and other handcrafted features?

 

[TheFoo]

May just be me, but I do not understand, at all, the desire to spend that much money on one element of a watch when the rest of the watch is a $1-2k watch.

Like I said, the price is stupid. But, to be fair, it’s more like a $15K watch without the engraving/enamel.

They say the engraving and enamel work takes 55 hours a piece. $85K is exceptionally lucrative money for a little more than a week’s worth of work. Let’s just leave it at that.

Richemont trash question - if an AD carries some Richemont brands, but not others...do you think it is possible for them to order a watch from one of the other brands that they are not explicitly listed as an AD for?

Generally no. The ADs deal with the individual brands, not the conglomerate.

 

[TheFoo]

I don't disagree with you. Do you feel the same way regarding precious metals, or just things like enamel dials and other handcrafted features?

Depends on the premium for the precious metal.

 

[RobinMA]

Or, if enamel is your thing, swing it the other direction and go for this Sun Wukong limited edition (72 pieces) watch that Oris just released for $27,500:

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Sun Wukong Artist Edition

Manufacturer of luxurious mechanical watches. Discover the Oris collection and all novelties on the official Oris website.

www.oris.ch

I mis-read it as "underwear palace"

 

[RobinMA]

I hate to tell you but your TheFoo ship has set sail.

You’ve got to let that lost love sail off into the sunset.

He’s embarked on moving the goal post once again after all.

An explorer without an Explorer if you will.

The life of an IB/PE baller leaves little time to participate in something as silly as this thread.

More Richemont trash without case flaws please!

Serious question - dont you think this Foo-bashing is really bordering on mobbing?

Look. There is a guy who owns more supercar-level watches than most of us here. Upper class, top uni, IB. Prototype SF member, instead of 40,000$ millionaires with Big Pony poloshorts from the outlet village.

Just tone it down a bit, will you?

 

[RobinMA]

Like I said, the price is stupid. But, to be fair, it’s more like a $15K watch without the engraving/enamel.

Arent many of PP's enamel handcrafts with Lake Gevener scenes also based on a pedestrian 5196/5296 minus date window?

Now, the ultimate Fuckology the Fuckmeister would be.....

....a Quartz Aquanaut, no: a Quartz Epillipse d'Or with an enamel dial.

Platinum Quarz Aquanaut with enamel Disney dial.

 

[9thsymph]

Richemont trash question - if an AD carries some Richemont brands, but not others...do you think it is possible for them to order a watch from one of the other brands that they are not explicitly listed as an AD for?

I got a "no" when I was in Vacheron and got into a side convo about Lange. The SA had previously worked at the Lange boutique and seemed happy to help me with them - if I decided on that direction - but could only really order Vacheron (I believe...it's possible I misunderstood...). There seems to be a lot of overlap between the boutiques, but ultimately still in their own lanes. Not sure if this is specifically regional or pervasive...

 

[RobinMA]

Walk into an Audi dealership and ask about a Porsche.

 

[classicalthunde]

I got a "no" when I was in Vacheron and got into a side convo about Lange. The SA had previously worked at the Lange boutique and seemed happy to help me with them - if I decided on that direction - but could only really order Vacheron (I believe...it's possible I misunderstood...). There seems to be a lot of overlap between the boutiques, but ultimately still in their own lanes. Not sure if this is specifically regional or pervasive...

Ah, gotcha...yea the one AD I pop into every now and then has all the brands that I like with the exception of ALS but they do carry a number of other Richemont brands but with the current state of Rolex, I'd hate to break up my any potential spend across different ADs

 

[thuhoan]

Richemont trash question - if an AD carries some Richemont brands, but not others...do you think it is possible for them to order a watch from one of the other brands that they are not explicitly listed as an AD for?

My AD couldn't. Dropped the deal with Cartier and JLC and was not able to order a Santos for me.

 

[TheFoo]

Arent many of PP's enamel handcrafts with Lake Gevener scenes also based on a pedestrian 5196/5296 minus date window?

Now, the ultimate Fuckology the Fuckmeister would be.....

....a Quartz Aquanaut, no: a Quartz Epillipse d'Or with an enamel dial.

Platinum Quarz Aquanaut with enamel Disney dial.

They are generally based on a 5296 case, yes, but they also use the caliber 240 micro-rotor movement. The 5296 was a ~$30K watch. With the thinner caliber 240, it could easily have been in the ~$35K range. In other words, a completely different universe versus a basic Reverso in gold.

But more important is the difference in enamel work! What Patek does is in a different stratosphere versus the simple tiger on the $100K Reverso in question. Plus, these enameled Calatravas go for $80-100K (last I checked).

The JLC folks are either high on something or hoping enough people are super stupid with both their eyes and wallets.

 

[Newcomer]

I don't disagree with you. Do you feel the same way regarding precious metals, or just things like enamel dials and other handcrafted features?

Depends on the premium for the precious metal.

Pretty much what Foo said. Depends on the premium. I do struggle to find value in a JLC gold watch, for example.

For me, the distinction between JLC and Patek RHC is, while they are the same price ($80k plus), the underlying watch is much nicer with the Patek RHC. If the JLC reverso was finished to a different, higher standard I could easily change my mind. (Note: it would be awesome if JLC had a higher end reverso).

I think the Oris is a better example with my beef. An enamel, artisan dial when the remainder is like 1/26 of the total price of the watch. At least with Patek RHC the dial is 2/3 or less of the total price of the watch.

And yes, I understand this is arbitrary. And I have zero interest in buying a Patek RHC when I could buy something more horologically, yet less artistically, interesting.

 

[TheFoo]

Pretty much what Foo said. Depends on the premium. I do struggle to find value in a JLC gold watch, for example.

For me, the distinction between JLC and Patek RHC is, while they are the same price ($80k plus), the underlying watch is much nicer with the Patek RHC. If the JLC reverso was finished to a different, higher standard I could easily change my mind. (Note: it would be awesome if JLC had a higher end reverso).

I think the Oris is a better example with my beef. An enamel, artisan dial when the remainder is like 1/26 of the total price of the watch. At least with Patek RHC the dial is 2/3 or less of the total price of the watch.

And yes, I understand this is arbitrary. And I have zero interest in buying a Patek RHC when I could buy something more horologically, yet less artistically, interesting.

I kind of want the bald eagle Calatrava.