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Both points (that 39mm is too big for a dress watch, and that rose gold just feels flash) resonated with me. Are we finally over the curve of the "big watch" curve of the aughts? And why is there so much rose/red/whatever gold relative to history? I've personally never liked it. While "yellow" gold can be far from understated, it "feels" less flash to me than alloys (other than white gold). Would certainly be interested to hear, from those more knowledgeable than I, why these shifts happened. They are two of my least favorite design points in contemporary dress watches.
Personally, I think a lot of the push for smaller watches is an affectation among watch aficionados. I don’t think normal people really care all that much. So if you’re a brand than needs to cater to enthusiasts (Tudor, micro brands) you’re going to produce more smaller watches than a brand with a different niche (like Panerai) or a brand with major cache (Rolex/Patek).

I’m not sure where a brand like JLC fits in, but it’s not like they’re introducing smaller watches in droves.
 

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Smaller watch trend supposed to happen 5-6 years ago. The discussion forums have been anouncing it and it had almost happened but then everyone seem to say ''oh fuck it'' and went back to XL, XXL watches.
I have nothing against XXL watches as they work well for Off shore or Big Bang or RM. Personally, not being an enthusiast, I would not wear even 42mm watch on my 7.25'' wrist. It is jarring and disproportionate when a watch looks like something out of Indiana Johnes movies.
 

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Personally, I think a lot of the push for smaller watches is an affectation among watch aficionados. I don’t think normal people really care all that much.
I find the use of affectation interesting. A few years back the same could be said about the push to larger.

So much really depends upon the size of the person wearing the watch ... whether it's a dress or casual or sports watch ... and the personal style/personality of the wearer. It's probably good to have a range of sizes. But yes, some makers who are famous for big and extra big will just remain there. They have their market.
 
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I find the use of affectation interesting. A few years back the same could be said about the push to larger.
So much really depends upon the size of the person wearing the watch ... whether it's a dress or casual or sports watch ... and the personal style/personality of the wearer. It's probably good to have a range of sizes. But yes, some makers who are famous for big and extra big will just remain there.
I agree there is room for a wide variety even for the same person.

I just think it’s gotten to the point of affectation when every new watch is met with a chorus of “this would be great if it was 36mm”. I also think a lot of people seem to think all watches should be made for their wrist alone (this goes for both big and small).
 

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Personally, not being an enthusiast, I would not wear even 42mm watch on my 7.25'' wrist. It is jarring and disproportionate when a watch looks like something out of Indiana Jones movies.
I would agree with you ... it is jarring and disproportionate when a watch is TOO BIG. That's my view. I also think Rolex is tacky with a capital T ... but that's not a widely held view here.

My wrist is the same size as yours. My 39mm +/- Flieger chronograph on my arm looks okay to me. But that 39mm JLC yesterday looked like a clown watch (well, to me and on my wrist). But each to his/her own. Some guys want to put on a show. They want people to notice their watch. They want to make a statement and to them BIG is beautiful. Others want discretion. A smaller watch is more tasteful in their eyes. Putting on a show just isn't their thing. And there is always simple aesthetics ... be it bigger or smaller. And I'm sure there are countless other ways to look at it.
 
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No steering wheel in this photo...just some pasta and chicken parm from a very late lunch.

Strong watch game.
Weak collander game.
Super wet pasta. Unless you like it that way, then my good-natured sardonic barb makes me look like a (bigger?) tool.
 

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I would agree with you ... it is jarring and disproportionate when a watch is TOO BIG. That's my view. I also think Rolex is tacky with a capital T ... but that's not a widely held view here.

My wrist is the same size as yours. My 39mm +/- Flieger chronograph on my arm looks okay to me. But that 39mm JLC yesterday looked like a clown watch (well, to me and on my wrist). But each to his/her own. Some guys want to put on a show. They want people to notice their watch. They want to make a statement and to them BIG is beautiful. Others want discretion. A smaller watch is more tasteful in their eyes. Putting on a show just isn't their thing. And there is always simple aesthetics ... be it bigger or smaller. And I'm sure there are countless other ways to look at it.
This is part of what bothers me about the whole conversation…the idea that there is some morally superior choice here, which is utter nonsense.
 

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Both points (that 39mm is too big for a dress watch, and that rose gold just feels flash) resonated with me. Are we finally over the curve of the "big watch" curve of the aughts? And why is there so much rose/red/whatever gold relative to history? I've personally never liked it. While "yellow" gold can be far from understated, it "feels" less flash to me than alloys (other than white gold). Would certainly be interested to hear, from those more knowledgeable than I, why these shifts happened. They are two of my least favorite design points in contemporary dress watches.
There are still plenty of large watches on the market from a variety of makers. However, we have seen some companies offering some smaller pieces. Rolex cut the Explorer from 39mm to 36 this year. As of 2017 Cartier offered a more classic size Tank Louis Cartier compared to the out going Tank Louis XL extra flat...which just didn't have the right proportions. In addition, their large Santos de Cartier is smaller than the old Santos 100, and their largest Pasha drop from 42 to 41mm (although that's still large). We will just have to wait and see what happens with watch sizes.

As for rose gold, its been quite popular for at least the last 20 + years (but it has been an option from companies like Patek, AP, VC and others long before that...although back then their production numbers were lower than today so probably still didn't see them that often). It is important to remember there are various shade of pink/rose gold, and there is even red gold (all depending on the copper content...although I'm not a fan of red gold). I have one VC that is 4N pink gold and it looks just a shade beyond yellow gold if placed next to a yg watch. I have one that is 5n rose gold and its a more rosy color. Personally, I've always thought pink and rose gold look far more understand and less flashy than yellow gold. Depending on the watch some pieces in yellow gold just scream 1985...and not in a good way! Then again some watches can look great in yellow gold or pink gold. Dial color can also make a difference. Panerai and some other companies pair rose gold with a blue dial, and that just doesn't work for me. Rose gold watches look much better with a white dial, silver dial, or a black dial than blue. While yellow gold works well with almost any dial color including blue.
 
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Strong watch game.
Weak collander game.
Super wet pasta. Unless you like it that way, then my good-natured sardonic barb makes me look like a (bigger?) tool.
Thanks for the comment on the watch game! Yes, not their day with pasta, but I was in a bit of a hurry, and the parm was very good. Cheers!
 

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the idea that there is some morally superior choice here, which is utter nonsense.
We each have our views. Is one "morally" superior to the other. I don't think so. Aesthetically ... perhaps ... after all this is a style forum. We also have our reasons for what we buy & wear. But, what is and isn't superior is ... just opinion.

I've never particularly liked suits by Poole either. But, my best friend uses them ... and wears a Rolex. I tell him I'm not a fan of either ... he tells me to go to hell. We're even.
 
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I'm fine with the car except for the wing (perhaps it serves a purpose beyond affect). And I want to like the blue color ... "secretly" I think I do ... but I can't help but think Smurftastic.
The wing does serve a purpose it created more downforce and keeps the cars front end planted on high speed. Porsche does not slap shit for looks.
 

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The wing does serve a purpose it created more downforce and keeps the cars front end planted on high speed. Porsche does not slap shit for looks.
I get the function. Do all models of the 911 have it? If not why not? If not, is there something about the design of Foo's 911 that makes it necessary ... or a real positive? I'm truly curious about this.

I owned an 8C and didn't really feel I needed one ... then again I didn't push the limits.
 

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Some guys want to put on a show. They want people to notice their watch. They want to make a statement and to them BIG is beautiful. Others want discretion. A smaller watch is more tasteful in their eyes. Putting on a show just isn't their thing.
The above statement is essentially saying “I wear a small watch and that makes me better than all the dirty show offs who wear a big watch because the like to show off”.

Just own it.
 
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I get the function. Do all models of the 911 have it? If not why not? If not, is there something about the design of Foo's 911 that makes it necessary ... or a real positive? I'm truly curious about this.

I owned an 8C and didn't really feel I needed one ... then again I didn't push the limits.
Very short answer:
Not all 911s have it because they aren't all meant to be tracked. Or rather, some people are more serious about taking their cars to the track and others just drive theirs around the neighborhood. The track oriented 911s have the wing. The wing is definitely an engineering feature.
 

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