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9thsymph

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You’re confusing price with value — supply and demand dynamics determine the prices of things, not their value. And given we were talking about two watches that are the same price (one hand finished and one not), how can supply and demand dynamics possibly tell you their difference in value?
Exactly.

I cannot believe how many folks still don’t understand this. Value is not price. Value is not objective.

I tried a few post back to simply point out that some might just be misusing the word, or conflating it’s meaning.

The responses to that suggestion proved the point, but apparently the point still evades some.

Any broader point about how language and logic are being misused is met with “but how can you argue the value of hand-finishing...” or some other nonsense. I’m not arguing about ANY of these watch details. I’m saying some of you mfs need to visit a dictionary!
 
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Bundle A gives you 2 apples for $3. Bundle B gives you 2 juicier apples for $3. Which is better value?
 

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Bundle A gives you 2 apples for $3. Bundle B gives you 2 juicier apples for $3. Which is better value?
Depends on what type of apples I'm getting. I wouldn't care about value if the A is a breed I like while B is a shitty breed like Red Delicious or Granny Smith.
 

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Understanding the concept of Value = 8oz of water

Deeky = 6oz glass
 

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It depends. What if Bundle A's apples are a lot sweeter?
Equally sweet. We are comparing gold dress watches with gold dress watches. Not gold dress watch v SS Rolex/RO or whatever. That was the underlying premise to start with - why would you buy a gold dress JLC (Master series) that has no unique design language, as opposed to a gold Breguet Classique or ALS Saxonia. Admittedly it would probably be different if it was the iconic reverso, but was not how this argument started. It's also fine if you for some reason prefer the design of the ultra thin over the Saxonia, but the underlying argument is that the Master lacks alot of fine/high end finishing found in Breguet/ALS while being sold at a very similar price point. Hence the statement that JLC gold dress watches are not really value for money in comparison to its peers
 

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This is the most boring conversation ever...who cares what someone else thinks about value? If you want to debate the watches then please have at it. But if you're just going to be a pedant, please go away with that.
 

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Value is the result of supply/demand dynamics. Queasy-intellectual philosophical masturbations do not need to apply.
Then stop doing it, you’re making me queasy.

And you’re wrong, but as I’ve said before appear to be deliberately contrarian and antagonistic so I won’t bother to engage.
 

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Thanks Andy! Interesting to see both side by side. After decades of associating the Explorer with all steel, I have to admit it looks really good as a two tone watch. I like the yellow gold hands and trim around the hour markers against the black dial. I have a quick question, and it could be the the lighting, or the fact that the the background is tan, and the winding crown on the two tone model is yellow gold, anyway my question is whether the the crown on the new two tone model is larger/wider than the crown on your 214270? Again congrats and enjoy it!!!
 

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Thanks Andy! Interesting to see both side by side. After decades of associating the Explorer with all steel, I have to admit it looks really good as a two tone watch. I like the yellow gold hands and trim around the hour markers against the black dial. I have a quick question, and it could be the the lighting, or the fact that the the background is tan, and the winding crown on the two tone model is yellow gold, anyway my question is whether the the crown on the new two tone model is larger/wider than the crown on your 214270? Again congrats and enjoy it!!!
Agree, I'm a big fan of the 2 tone version.
 

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I agree with both posts above. Having seen the renderings from Rolex and the images on their site and not been at all sure it looks really nice in real life pictures rather than studio ones. I think the 36mm makes for a more coherent looking watch than the 39mm, but they are both lovely.
 

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