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Guys you’re not following the logic. Start following the logic. The logic is whatever foo calls the logic. That’s how logic works. Always been this way...
Sort of sounds like something a Qanon would say
 

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Guys you’re not following the logic. Start following the logic. The logic is whatever foo calls the logic. That’s how logic works. Always been this way...
Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
 

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The best both worlds is owning something from Porsche and Ferrari. A lot of Ferrari owners also own a Porsche or have owned Porsches. The difference being the current/recent 911 Turbo S is so easy to drive your grandmother can drive it, it does everything perfectly, but is far less engaging to drive. It wouldn't even be on my radar. I'd rather have a 930 Turbo, a 964 Turbo 3.6 or a 993 Turbo S than a modern Turbo S or a recent Porsche GT model. As for the current 911 Turbo S, meh...the new 992 Turbo S is blubbery and not very attractive. Anyway, my point was there are other products/companies where people have to buy other products or have customer history to get something particularly sought after (that is true of Porsche also). Foo is a rarity getting a GT3RS allocation without having a prior Porsche purchase history or paying significantly over MSRP . Anyway, I'll gladly own something from Porsche and Ferrari.
The only issue I have with Fiats or Ferrari same shit is that they cant be driven as a daily. They are too much to maintain and yes they can’t run next to a 911. I have driven the new 911 and yes it is no longer hydraulic steering yet it drove and responded like a 911 does. I do agree with you that the older cars are more authentic but look at the current automobile trend where the politicians and auto manufacturers have decided electric is the future.

Ferraris I have driven 308, 328, 355, 512 TR and 458 I’m sorry they are not for me. As compared to the Porsche models you’ve mentioned they are junk.

Enough car talk wrong threat for it. Let’s get back to the unattainable Rolex, Patek chat 😂
 
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If one were to get a gold Daytona, which is the one to get and why? I was initially attracted to the champagne dial but that black dial is really forcing me to reconsider. Despite the photos, I’m going gold oyster bracelet. Non ceramic (gold) bezels are an option of course but I’m ruling that out for durability concerns.

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I'm a fan of champagne dials for YG watches more than black dials with YG.
 
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Speedmaster is a phenomenal watch and even more phenomenal when considering the relatively low price, but one only need handle it side-by-side with a Submariner to immediately tell that the latter is much more substantial and expensive feeling.
those being purpose designed and built watches, do you think the construction and materials have anything to do with the difference vis a vie the substantial feeling?
 

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Walked past Wempe today on my way to the dentist and Cellini on my way back. Seems like everyone is out buying watches today!

Wow sucks about the Zenith. Good luck if you go the JLC route.

Unfortunately, there is always risk that a new watch will need regulation/adjustment. Even more unfortunately, service across Richemont and LVMH is fairly uniformly bad.
I've actually had great service from JLC. Cannot speak to other Richemont brands. Since JLC introduced the 8 year warranty, I've noticed an uptick from good to great care and attention to clients.

JLC ebauches were once common amongst most of the top tier makers. But those makers heavily reworked and finished those movements. JLC has never tried to compete at that level.
As a JLC owner and fan, here's my perspective.

JLC is terrific at the low to middle end and at the ultra high end. It's the middle where we can quibble about value, aesthetics, etc. I honestly believe it comes down to a reference by reference head to head.

For example, I like the Master Ultra Thin Small Seconds in gold. No way in hell I'm buying it over a Saxonia, which is almost the same price.

I love this. And if I get adopted into the Bezos household, I'd buy this instantly.

 
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I've actually had great service from JLC. Cannot speak to other Richemont brands. Since JLC introduced the 8 year warranty, I've noticed an uptick from good to great care and attention to clients.
I'm not sure of the context here, but a JLC boutique just opened up (well, opened up sometime during the pandemic) here in San Jose. I've wanted to get a navy blue alligator strap on a deployant buckle for my Reverso for some time. I went into the store a couple of months ago and asked about obtaining one. It seems that the strap and the buckle would have to be ordered separately and they couldn't figure out the price for me at that moment, for reasons that were not clear. So, they took my name and number and promised to call me with the details. No call ever came.

So I went back into the store a couple of weeks ago and went through the same process. This time, I wore my Reverso and also brought along my Master Ultra Thin which has the type of strap and buckle I want, for a visual reference. After a great deal of peering at computer screens and thumbing through catalogs, they quoted me $450 for the buckle and an unknown amount for the strap, but perhaps around $600 dollars. They would be happy to take my deposit for $1000 and settle any difference when the strap and buckle came in, in two to three months. Oh, and they wanted to charge me $35 for JLC to ship the strap and buckle to the boutique. Not to my house, mind you, to their own boutique. They wanted me to pay for them to ship their product to their store.

I did not feel that was a smart way to treat a customer who is a multiple owner (and my wife also was wearing her Reverso) and is thus likely to buy again. They finally agreed to waive the shipping fee. But by then it was too late. The next day I did a little online searching and found a JLC buckle and a JLC strap for less than $100 for both. Sure, they are probably knock-offs, but at this point I don't care.
 

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And now, this:
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Rolex Explorer reference 124273. Arrived today from Fourtané in Carmel. How can I put this? It's very, very nice.
 

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I'm not sure of the context here, but a JLC boutique just opened up (well, opened up sometime during the pandemic) here in San Jose. I've wanted to get a navy blue alligator strap on a deployant buckle for my Reverso for some time. I went into the store a couple of months ago and asked about obtaining one. It seems that the strap and the buckle would have to be ordered separately and they couldn't figure out the price for me at that moment, for reasons that were not clear. So, they took my name and number and promised to call me with the details. No call ever came.

So I went back into the store a couple of weeks ago and went through the same process. This time, I wore my Reverso and also brought along my Master Ultra Thin which has the type of strap and buckle I want, for a visual reference. After a great deal of peering at computer screens and thumbing through catalogs, they quoted me $450 for the buckle and an unknown amount for the strap, but perhaps around $600 dollars. They would be happy to take my deposit for $1000 and settle any difference when the strap and buckle came in, in two to three months. Oh, and they wanted to charge me $35 for JLC to ship the strap and buckle to the boutique. Not to my house, mind you, to their own boutique. They wanted me to pay for them to ship their product to their store.

I did not feel that was a smart way to treat a customer who is a multiple owner (and my wife also was wearing her Reverso) and is thus likely to buy again. They finally agreed to waive the shipping fee. But by then it was too late. The next day I did a little online searching and found a JLC buckle and a JLC strap for less than $100 for both. Sure, they are probably knock-offs, but at this point I don't care.
I believe JLC boutiques are all AD's like Rolex?
 

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I believe JLC boutiques are all AD's like Rolex?
Well, I'm not sure. The one in San Jose is actually part of a larger store featuring several other Richemont brands.
 
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