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Does it get anymore peak Ferrari?
Ferrari has served different paradigms over the years. Traditionally, road-going Ferraris were always GT-ish sports cars. Then they introduced mid-engine road cars and things bifurcated between hard-edged sports cars and much cushier front-engined grand tourers. So, what’s more Ferrari? If going by Enzo’s original vision, “peak” Ferrari road car is something equally sporty, elegant and comfortable—not an F40.
 

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Came with titanium bracelet, bought a omega blue nato and a blue denim strap and then this brown from omega .

I think this strap looks the best out of all the ones I haveView attachment 1628448
I have the same strap for my 57 Speedmaster Coaxial and I really like it. Looks good on yours too!
Anyone use G shock?
Am I thinking about buying one, just to use it on the summer beach and in nature, or should I opt for a more elegant diver watch?
As they are all so big I was thinking about buying a smaller and square DW-5600
I have a couple of the 5600 variants. Find myself wearing them more than any other watches at the moment... put one on in the morning to wear for the gym or a run, and then don't bother changing it later. Be aware that the silver digits on the black background look (tacti)cool, but are a bugger to read in anything other than bright conditions.
EDIT: I should have said, I really like having a basically indestructible watch for activities for which I wouldn't want to wear even my most robust "proper" watch (in my case, an Explorer 1). I say go for it.
 
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My policy is up for renewal next month so it's going to be an interesting conversation with the broker about the Nautilus.
Please do inform post discussion. I'd be very interested.
So I finally got round to getting a professional valuation for my 5711, as required by my insurance broker.

£119,000

ffs
 

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By your logic a Submariner fall into the same category……MSRP is creeping towards $10K for a steel watch with nothing special in it, right?
Hardly the same. MSRP 10k from any established high end brand gets you exactly what you get from Rolex: a steel watch with an in-house movement, machine finished.

JLC's gold watches are basically machined finished without any haute horology touches at a price point against competitors (Breuget, ALS etc) which offer haute horology as a starting point. There really isnt any value proposition there
 

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Hardly the same. MSRP 10k from any established high end brand gets you exactly what you get from Rolex: a steel watch with an in-house movement, machine finished.

JLC's gold watches are basically machined finished without any haute horology touches at a price point against competitors (Breuget, ALS etc) which offer haute horology as a starting point. There really isnt any value proposition there
I didn’t think there was much difference in finish quality between JLC and Breguet. Some even used JLC movements

to be fair I am less than a watch dabbler only using one (s)watch.
 

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I didn’t think there was much difference in finish quality between JLC and Breguet. Some even used JLC movements
Most brands have probably used JLC movements at some point. But it doesn't usually mean that brand literally took a JLC movement and planted it in their own case and left it at that - often they were improved on worked on.

Furthermore looking at these two movements (in Breguet's entry level classique and JLC's entry level Master ultra thin in gold), I would say the Breguet is far better finished - the price difference between is only about 2.5-3k

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What would you consider peak Ferrari?
Peak Ferrari would need to be a front engine V12. The ultimate example is probably the 250 GTO. There's a reason they are worth $50ish million a piece.
 

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What would you consider peak Ferrari?
A peak Ferrari has to have a manual transmission. My answer would be the 288GTO/F40.

As someone that grew up around Porsches in the 1980s 944, 911s, 930, 928S...the 959 seemed to be the supercar that had no equal. Then the F40 was released. Yet, reviews of the day and the few people I've met who have driven an F40 said there is nothing like it. The 959 was far more technologically advanced, yet, was so perfect some said it was boring to drive. While Ferrari went a completely different route, and made a car that some have said was the most exciting and fun car they had ever driven.

I don't need the car that is the fastest off the line, or the highest top speed, I'm happy to have something to go on a fun drive on winding roads with a few friends, with a restaurant or ice cream shop as the destination/reward for some good driving.

That being said, the head tech at the shop I go to, who has owned a several Ferraris (still owns an F12 and a 355), and driven and worked on Ferraris from the 1950s to every supercar except a LaFerrari, said the best Ferraris to own, easy to live with, things don't go wrong, and they are fun to drive are the 550/575 Maranello, the F430, the 328GTB/GTS, and to a lesser degree the 360.
 
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Peak Ferrari is either a Dino or a 550/575, depending on what you are after from them. I doubt I’ll ever be in a position to own either so I’m happy enough with my 996. And I get that the air cooled 911s are a more engaging drive, but mine still feels like a 911, just one less likely to throw you into a hedge.
 

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Ferrari has served different paradigms over the years. Traditionally, road-going Ferraris were always GT-ish sports cars. Then they introduced mid-engine road cars and things bifurcated between hard-edged sports cars and much cushier front-engined grand tourers. So, what’s more Ferrari? If going by Enzo’s original vision, “peak” Ferrari road car is something equally sporty, elegant and comfortable—not an F40.
Well when Ferrari and Porsche started, racing and road rules were such that someone could drive one of their cars to the track and and race on weekends, and drive the car on the road during the rest of the week.

Enzo's choices were always his 2+2 models, such as the 250GTE 2+2, or the 400i. Those were cars he actually owned. However, his true interest was racing and the road cars were just built to finance his racing. He didn't care that much about his road cars and generally didn't care much for the people who bought his cars.

Still, some of his statements about his cars and clients were entertaining.
"Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines."

"I build beautiful cars for young men, that only old men car afford."
 

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"I build beautiful cars for young men, that only old men can afford."
LOL the man was lucid! It really does sound like a true peak car connoisseur has to own a Ferrari or 11.
 

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OF is becoming my favorite piece for hot & humid weather.

ALS Odeysseus on (firm) offer with a mid range Lange (annual calendar et al) bundle. Clearly an arbitrage vs buying both at grey. But frankly can not digest jumping through hoops to buy a watch or any consumer product.. The balance between being kind of imposed to feel grateful for the opportunity of spending USD 100k vs the joy of wearing Odeysseus does not leave me in peace..

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Hardly the same. MSRP 10k from any established high end brand gets you exactly what you get from Rolex: a steel watch with an in-house movement, machine finished.

JLC's gold watches are basically machined finished without any haute horology touches at a price point against competitors (Breuget, ALS etc) which offer haute horology as a starting point. There really isnt any value proposition there
Again, based on your reasoning the Submariner is a rip-off…..the Speedmaster would actually fit what you’re describing.

But, I now see your bias so it doesn’t matter anymore :)
 

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Small timers, all of you. A true gentleman of leisure does not sully his hands and his feet with the manual labor of driving.
 

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